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Old 04-17-2014, 05:47 PM
 
Location: "Arlen" Texas
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Objectively no one necessarily has a purpose or needs one. In the human world we make our own purpose through love and creativity.
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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You seem to be suggesting some arbitrary universal standard.
I suggested no standard at all, arbitrary or well reasoned. I would suggest that any attempt to establish such a standard would unavoidably result in an arbitrary one because that it the only type possible here. We are talking about individual moral judgments, not any sort of absolute.

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Discontent arises from desires to own, to possess. Desires for ever more, and enough is never enough.
Discontent may arise from numerous sources, the above being but one.

Humans never really are separate from nature, we are as much a product of nature as anything else on the planet and that includes the development of our brains. We may think of the Hoover Dam and a dam constructed by a beaver as distinguished by natural and unnatural, but they really are not. They are actually distinguished by levels of complexity, with nature being responsible for producing creatures capable of each level.

It is when humans are demonstrating characteristics which heighten the distinction between their place in nature and everything else's that we gain some luster. We have the ability to store knowledge outside of ourselves, we have the ability to alter hostile environments to make them livable, we have the ability to dominate every species on the Earth to whatever degree is needed to sustain ourselves, and we have the ability to improve ourselves without having to wait for nature to take action.

The price for all this talent and superiority has been existential angst associated with our awareness that we are temporary beings, and more recently, awareness that we are but a flyspeck relative to the immensity of the universe.

I'll pay that price in order to get the human experience, it still seems to beat the hell out of the life of an insect or fish.
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Old 04-18-2014, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Why do you torment yourself with meaningless questions?

Life is to be lived. Yearning for glib answers to self-generated puzzles leads to discontent. Outside, a mockingbird sings in the oak tree. Neither the bird nor the tree question their lives.
Thanks a lot. Carly Simon and James Taylor just started singing inside my head.
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