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Old 05-30-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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Kinda ironic that you defend "reason" yet you talk about "randomness".
Why? We have objective observations of random events.

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Take for example the scenario where a full moon looks to be in the same size as the sun: however, the sun is about 400 times bigger than the moon BUT the sun is also about 400 times farther in the distance from earth than the moon which strikes a balance in the length of day and night. All that happened in "randomness" wasn't it?
The sun was placed where it is randomly, the moon was placed at its place randomly, the earth got hit by another body RANDOMLY which started to spin the erath randomly, and move in its orbit randomly but in such a mind boggling precision that there does not seem to be any off tracking, the Ozone layer formed randomly after some random chemical reactions, the day and night formed randomly, I mean how many things happened randomly? If there was one or two things then I could have believed you but SO MANY things had to happen RANDOMLY yet in a great precision in order to create a living environment for human beings RANDOMLY? Doesn't make sense, does it?
Ignoring the fact that very few of these things are random but instead fairly deterministic, why would random natural processes occasionally producing useful results surprise you so much?
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Old 05-30-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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It is probably worth mentioning that random coincidences happen all the time. I am astonished at times how random events come together to produce a good result, or a less good one.

This sort of thing can fool the unreasoning and gullible into thinking that Something Is Doing it. It is a delusion brought about by counting the hits and ignoring the misses.

That is not quite the same point being made by our poster with the Sig so unpronouncible, one wonders how many times his previous sigs have been banned. That is more a misunderstanding of the way inherent natural physical processes work out and produce result. To call it random or by chance is correct in that it is (to look at all the evidence) not intelligently planned, but it is not at all the hit and miss of totally chaotic events which produce a coherent result.

That is the sort of persistent misunderstanding (and persistent misrepresentation when it is explained to them) by ID enthusiasts of what they call 'evilooshun', which term they apply broadly to mean 'Atheists theory that everything happened without God having dunnit'.

There is some mileage in the 'Goldilocks' argument, of course. The only response to questions about why we should be here at all is that we were luck, but as I say, we are all lucky. We could have been neanderthals dying of hypothermia in the Ice Age, or Palestinian peasants being slaughtered by either Muslims or Crusaders in the 1oth century without knowing what it was all about. We are not; we are educated westerners with computers to let us communicate and (give or take recessions and governments running short of cash and laying a tax hup on us) have a comfortable style of living. We are incredibly lucky. but I see no plan behind it. It happened that I was here by chance.
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