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Old 09-19-2014, 09:29 PM
 
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Most mental illness has no organic basis, either, though.
Actually as we learn more about the brain that view is becoming dated. It is probably true that most mental illness has a biological basis.

The roots of mental illness

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Eric Kandel, MD, a Nobel Prize laureate and professor of brain science at Columbia University, believes it's all about biology. "All mental processes are brain processes, and therefore all disorders of mental functioning are biological diseases," he says. "The brain is the organ of the mind. Where else could [mental illness] be if not in the brain?"

That viewpoint is quickly gaining supporters, thanks in part to Thomas R. Insel, MD, director of the National Institute of Mental Health, who has championed a biological perspective during his tenure at the agency.

To Insel, mental illnesses are no different from heart disease, diabetes or any other chronic illness. All chronic diseases have behavioral components as well as biological components, he says. "The only difference here is that the organ of interest is the brain instead of the heart or pancreas. But the same basic principles apply."

 
Old 09-20-2014, 07:27 AM
 
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Actually as we learn more about the brain that view is becoming dated. It is probably true that most mental illness has a biological basis.

The roots of mental illness
I basically agree, but with caveats about the proper definition of "mental illness".

Too often, people are labeled as mentally ill because they have adopted alternate ways of being that busybodies and prudes find personally annoying or disturbing. Yet, it's hard to show how those ways of being actually harm anyone. Even if the person is driven to such modes of existence by personal limitations, they may actually be creative and/or heroic solutions to the problems thus presented.

Even if there are only some relatively mild mental health or addiction issues present, they can be seized upon and magnified by people who are more interested in "winning" arguments than in compassion and empathy.

I have seen people labeled (by laypersons or especially by doctors not trained or qualified in mental health care, who have faux authority to trade in) as mentally ill who are just not behaving the way the labeler wants them to. Or who are far less mentally ill than alleged.

Mental illness should really be defined by whether behaviors and thought patterns are maladaptive, meaning, they significantly impede one's ability to find happiness, or significantly impede or interfere with other's pursuit of happiness (in other words doing no harm to oneself or to others).

In a sense we are all mentally ill. The human mind can only imperfectly deal with the human condition, with its absurdities, dangers, tragedies and suffering. No one can claim to be 100% rational and self consistent, like some sort of dispassionate Vulcan doing the logical and efficient thing in all cases. Ultimately "mental illness" is a mode of coping that results in suffering that's significantly more intense than average for the person in question and/or the people around him, nothing more.
 
Old 09-23-2014, 05:05 PM
 
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Default COuld it be argued that atheist are the most sane people on Earth?

It could be argued . . . but NOT very effectively!!!
 
Old 09-24-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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It could be argued . . . but NOT very effectively!!!
What's more effective, delusion or rationale?
 
Old 09-24-2014, 08:00 PM
 
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It could be argued . . . but NOT very effectively!!!
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What's more effective, delusion or rationale?
In this reality bordering on solipsism . . . delusion is truly in the eye of the beholder! . . . as is rationality.
 
Old 09-24-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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i have know some very sane atheists esp my grandfather who raised me
but those are mostly not the people that post on CDF.
 
Old 09-25-2014, 09:46 AM
 
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COuld it be argued that atheist are the most sane people on Earth?

Of course it could be argued that way. It could also be argued to be the opposite.

Just depends on your point of view. After all, what does it really matter and how many minds will be changed either way?
 
Old 09-25-2014, 03:55 PM
 
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In this reality bordering on solipsism . . . delusion is truly in the eye of the beholder! . . . as is rationality.

Sounds very like the delusion that reality isn't real. I'll bet if a truck ran over a philosopher's foot, god forbid, he or she would recognize awfully quickly that the world we occupy is real.
 
Old 09-25-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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i have know some very sane atheists esp my grandfather who raised me
but those are mostly not the people that post on CDF.
I'm betting the "sane" atheists were the ones who remained seated, kept their mouths shut, and let Christians run amok.
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