Sorry that I've been away for couple days.
First off, thanks for the replies...pretty much what I thought.
My point is the fact that we have objective morals (Things that are right or wrong regardless if you believe it or not does prove we are born of a creator.).
You all had various things you said were considered "moral" and where that came from such as common sense, nature etc.
Where did these moral values come from? Lets trace it to the beginning of time. My faith says God was there from the beginning and gave his guidance. Yours says it's all by accident or chance and from that we evolved from our surroundings.
A few things that come to mind are
1. The claim here that pedophilia is wrong.
Why? Who says? What if there is a culture out there that you don't know about that where sexual relations between parents and children are a way of entering into a more intimate relationship. (It's happened in the past...why is it wrong now?)
So why is that wrong? Who are you to tell them what they are doing is wrong? Under who's authority?
2. That nature dictacts right and wrong.
Okay, then I ask you this - why is rape wrong? Since we are "evolved" from nature, it happens in nature all the time. Forced copulation is a part of nature. Why is it different for humans? In fact, an arguement can be made that this is how evolution works! The strong survive and procreate and spread THEIR DNA and thus the species gets stronger and "better".
So why is forced sex wrong for humans and no other creature on earth?
3. Hurting other people to get what you want is wrong. Again...why? Who says so? We are supposed relatives to primates and evolved from them. They do it all the time. Suvival of the fittest.
5. Stealing is wrong.
Why? Happens all the time in nature. Lion's make a kill and if the hyena out number them, they steal their food. Why is it wrong for us to do the same?
Who says the golden rule is the right way? What if I don't believe that? What if I treat you the way I want to be treated and it's not how you want to be treated?
It's real easy to sit in a nation who's rules and morality were based on the Judeo-Christian mindset and say "it's common sense"...or that "you learned it from your parents." It's another thing to think that if left to your own devices it would still be so.
What nation on earth is entirely secular and has their laws 100% based on their natural surroundings and "common sense"? It doesn't exist.
So I ask you, in all the right wrong you listed...why is it wrong, and according to whom and why is it different for specifically human beings to not do things that are replicated in nature - sometimes by our closest cousins all the time?
What makes us special? It works for them...why not us?
I'm interested in your replies.
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How does an atheist define morality?
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Basically, I treat others the way I'd like to be treated. Not a terribly confusing concept. It never ceases to amaze me that so many people think that one can't be ethical without having a belief in god(s).
On what do you base this accusation? Atheists reject all religions as man made fantasies. The Koran was based on the Torah. The first Muslims were so close to Jews of the time that the Jews considered them another sect of Judiasm.
