Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Atheism and Agnosticism
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-28-2015, 02:54 PM
 
888 posts, read 453,896 times
Reputation: 468

Advertisements

Ernie Chambers is an atheist in the Nebraska State Legislature. After many years of trying, he finally got a bill passed the abolished the death penalty there. I think this is great!

This oped piece is written by a Christian.

Don’t Thank God that Nebraska Ended the Death Penalty

From the article:

Quote:
Some progressives might even suggest that Chambers is much more of a Christian than most professing Christians. Don’t do it. Because he’s not. He’s an atheist.

But remember Chambers submitted that bill nearly 40 times, not because he was a man of faith but because he wasn’t. Remember that it was Christians who stood in the way and shot it down for almost four decades as well. Remember, too, that the dominant portrait of atheism for many Christians isn’t someone like Chambers but crude and disparaging stereotypes found in films like God’s Not Dead.

So don’t thank God for what happened in Nebraska. Instead, give credit where credit is truly due.
Thank an atheist.
(This happened back in May, so it's kind of old news. I don't remember it being posted.)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-28-2015, 04:12 PM
 
28,432 posts, read 11,567,423 times
Reputation: 2070
yeah, waste more money keeping wacks alive. get job, Why end it when we can have criminal just keep on victimizing us over and over and over and over.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-28-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Ohio
24,621 posts, read 19,154,989 times
Reputation: 21738
Quote:
Originally Posted by TransplantedPeach View Post
Ernie Chambers is an atheist in the Nebraska State Legislature. After many years of trying, he finally got a bill passed the abolished the death penalty there. I think this is great!
Okay, so it proves not all atheists are intelligent.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-29-2015, 01:49 PM
 
34,278 posts, read 19,361,452 times
Reputation: 17261
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arach Angle View Post
yeah, waste more money keeping wacks alive. get job, Why end it when we can have criminal just keep on victimizing us over and over and over and over.
Actually theres a couple problems with your statement. The cost to execute someone are higher then the costs of life imprisonment. Additionally we've executed some innocent people. Like...a lot more then we should.

I'd be happier with death penalty cases having a much higher standard of guilt, and less appeal venues.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-29-2015, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
19,958 posts, read 13,455,445 times
Reputation: 9911
Quote:
Originally Posted by greywar View Post
I'd be happier with death penalty cases having a much higher standard of guilt, and less appeal venues.
Yes. Justice isn't a deterrent when it's not swift. Not that prison life is easy, but the typical 20 to 30 years of appeals with free room & board is not even a meaningful shortening of life for someone convicted in their 40s or later. And given that many murderers have impulse control issues it's scarcely on their radar if the penalty is not fairly immediate.

Nor is it just the lack of strong connection in time and certainty between the crime and the punishment; it's the cost of incarceration -- and not just ordinary, but special, separate incarceration ... as you point out.

If we're not comfortable as a society putting people to death in some fashion that doesn't negate the whole idea, then just don't do it. Imprison them for life and be done with it.

Heck, some countries aren't even up for that much. They will put even a heinous mass murderer away for 25 or 30 years max. The (excellent) Russian movie Leviathan depicts someone (wrongfully) convicted of the equivalent of 1st degree murder getting a 15 year sentence based on it being a first offense. Otherwise it would have been 20.

Whatever ... I wish we'd just make up our mind and do something, making sure that "something" actually counts and is effective.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-29-2015, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
3,639 posts, read 3,337,464 times
Reputation: 3089
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
Okay, so it proves not all atheists are intelligent.
Yee Haw! Gone get dem trouble makers to ride the lightning baby!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-30-2015, 01:23 AM
 
888 posts, read 453,896 times
Reputation: 468
Quote:
Originally Posted by greywar View Post
Actually theres a couple problems with your statement. The cost to execute someone are higher then the costs of life imprisonment. Additionally we've executed some innocent people. Like...a lot more then we should.
Saving money was one reason they got the votes to eliminate it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-02-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Ohio
24,621 posts, read 19,154,989 times
Reputation: 21738
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf39us View Post
Yee Haw! Gone get dem trouble makers to ride the lightning baby!
What is the utility of a murderer?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Atheism and Agnosticism

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top