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Old 11-20-2015, 08:45 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Josh boy apparently just has trouble keeping the little head from doing the thinking for the big head. What a hypocrite, and of course, no one from the Duggar family would comment.

Josh Duggar sued by porn star for sexual assault

What a despicable person, and what a despicable, hypocritical, fundamentalist Christian family the Duggars are. I am so glad I helped stop them from being the keynote speaker at the Alberta Home School Association conference next spring, 2016.

How can anyone still speak positive about this disgusting horrible family, one who has no morals. We always are told how without biblical morality, no one can be have morals. The opposite appears to be true.
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Old 11-21-2015, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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It's probably an overstatement to say they have NO morals, but it's pretty obvious that they are not immune from the same moral missteps as we hell bound heathens.
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Old 11-21-2015, 07:19 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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I don't think "morals" stop someone from being a child molester or a batterer. Healthy people wouldn't even want to be engaging in those behaviors. The cover up does speak to morals IMO. It shows what a persons values when they choose reputation over the wellbeing of their children.
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Old 11-22-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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I'm almost feeling sorry for Josh Duggar..not just for being born to such appalling parents, but because their high -profile fundamentalist Christianity plus antisocial lunatic policy on family planning, means that he is expected to live up the High Moral ground such buggars habitually lay claim to and, while I am not excusing him, there's a lot of what he got up to goes on and he is being singled out rather. especially

And who is to say that in some measure being a part of such a vile household wouldn't be in some part to blame for how he turned out?

But the point I wanted to make is that it can't be ruled out that the adverse publicity has made him a soft moral target for anyone out to make a fast buck with a sexual harassment claim. I'm not saying it's done in hopes to get an out of court handout to drop the case (remind me, speaking of crafty lawyers, where's Bo Peepers got to?) but I'd like to wait to see how this goes before I leap on Josh's face.
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Old 11-22-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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I agree, biblical stuff has the opposite effect. If some being in the sky has to keep you from doing wrong, you're really just a bad person. Why can't we get away from this story book? Seems all those bible beaters are really the worst. Proof is everywhere.

We can call them the Buggers instead of the Duggars!! LOL
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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How can anyone still speak positive about this disgusting horrible family, one who has no morals. We always are told how without biblical morality, no one can be have morals. The opposite appears to be true.
So because ONE of the Duggars turned bad, you would judge them all????
I don't believe in God, but I do believe in "judge not lest you be judged".
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Old 11-22-2015, 05:32 PM
 
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So because ONE of the Duggars turned bad, you would judge them all????
I don't believe in God, but I do believe in "judge not lest you be judged".
Only one?

What about the parents who hid the miscreant's acts from authorities for years?
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Old 11-23-2015, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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So because ONE of the Duggars turned bad, you would judge them all????
I don't believe in God, but I do believe in "judge not lest you be judged".
I used to think this way, but I have come to realize that where there's smoke, there's fire. Plus as a consultant I am always reminding myself, "things are the way they are because they got that way". Josh is a product of a system of child rearing and family dynamics. Yes, he has responsibility for his own choices, and I have no doubt that they are displeasing to his parents, and I don't automatically judge parents for the actions of their offspring for that reason. However, at the same time, it is obvious that his parents are sexually repressive and replace standard of care in the mental health arena with magical beliefs / prayer. So this is the perfect storm or an anti-pattern if you will, what not to do when you have a child with Josh's issues ... it is a family dynamic that will make such issues worse, to the extent that it's not directly and primarily responsible for creating them in the first place.

I guess at the end of the day it shifts some of my contempt from Josh to his parents, and gives me some compassion for Josh, while in no way excusing his actions.
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Old 11-23-2015, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Josh Duggar really messed up. He is a total hypocrite, he speaks of God and conservative values while living an immoral life. However that does not mean he should be sued by a porn star who has crossed the line to being a prostitute. She was paid for a sex act and claims he was too rough, so what does she do?? She does it again. Does not sound like a victim but someone who came back for another payday. She has no credibility here. Really she should be in jail since prostitution is illegal. For that matter so should the Duggar boy. I hope Josh Duggar comes back to God, I hope he can be a good person. All this gloating over is turn to sin really exposes leftist secular types for what they are, mean and hateful. I don't think he should ever again speak for conservative values, he is far to tainted for that. However he can return to living them and be a reformed man. That is up to him.
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Old 11-23-2015, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Josh Duggar really messed up. He is a total hypocrite, he speaks of God and conservative values while living an immoral life. However that does not mean he should be sued by a porn star who has crossed the line to being a prostitute. She was paid for a sex act and claims he was too rough, so what does she do?? She does it again. Does not sound like a victim but someone who came back for another payday. She has no credibility here.
I would not say she has zero credibility but I admit that I'm a bit skeptical and it does "smell" like someone opportunistically going after perceived "deep pockets". It is for the legal system to sort out and in this particular case I wouldn't assume very much.
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Really she should be in jail since prostitution is illegal. For that matter so should the Duggar boy.
Which is an entirely separate question. Assault, or introducing non-consensual aspects to a even an agreed sexual encounter, is never an ethical / moral thing to do, regardless of who the actors are or what their original intentions were.
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I hope Josh Duggar comes back to God, I hope he can be a good person. All this gloating over is [sic] turn to sin really exposes leftist secular types for what they are, mean and hateful.
Gloating? I am not suggesting there is absolutely zero schadenfreude involved -- after all, unbelievers are human, too -- but I think you're overreaching. It is disgust over actual (and rather over the top) hypocrisy that is on display here. You are making the same mistake that believers often do, conflating disagreement and/or disapproval with persecution.

In any event, do you seriously think believers never "gloat" over unbelievers who tend to confirm their stereotypes? The other day a gay man, a former LGBTQ activist, was arrested and accused of all sorts of depraved and debased activities, promiscuous sex with humans and animals, deliberate attempts to infect people with HIV, extreme pedophilia, and various forms of rape. As this one individual fulfills all the slippery slope fears of evangelicals, I fully expect a chorus of "see, I told you so" from evangelicals over this matter, falsely painting all LGBTQ persons with the same brush, even as evangelicals say we should be merciful and gracious and assume the best about the likes of the Duggars.
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I don't think he should ever again speak for conservative values, he is far to tainted for that. However he can return to living them and be a reformed man. That is up to him.
What he can do, is start living a responsible, lawful life in accordance with societal norms and quit harming people. And quit claiming to be a "new creation in Christ" which he never was an no one ever is.
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