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Old 06-13-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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Or "dam".
Or amen. Or dame...
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Old 06-13-2016, 10:11 AM
 
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Well, I wouldn't go with the "aka oblivion" part. Oblivion is fine with me. Hell is eternal torment for immortal and aware individuals who will experience all of it in exquisite detail. Reminds me of the villain in the old Wild, Wild West TV series, introducing the hero to his fate of being skinned alive:

Or, put Biblically (and this is what Texas' Lt. Governor tweeted this morning, supposedly not intentionally about the Orlando mass shooting):

It is this avidity when contemplating the supposed just comeuppance of those who don't believe as you do, that is so ghastly. It is understandable; they are just imitating their sky daddy.
Good point on oblivion. It would be far too good for us heathens to get what we expected all along.
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Old 06-13-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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Indeed he did. Arach, mate, you display a continued 'agnostic /accommodationalist' Fundamentalism (1) in doing theist -type apologetics: beginning with a beef about atheism (because you are not in fact atheist, but a sortagod -agnostic) and then 'what facts can we find to support it?' (2). Thus your check list of 'evidence' to support your conclusion and never mind whether it is true or relevant.

Bias..as indeed all 'common sense' reasoning - is part of human thinking, and it is not logical very often. We are thus well advised to apply logic to our rationale to see whether it stands up, and if it doesn't, whether it matters. That I adore Bruckner and detest Rap is a personal preference and not logical, and I would never attack anyone elses' tastes or engage on an internet campaign to get rid of Pop music (as tough a task as pushing back Christianity in America). But atheism even if is a non -logical basis for most in the beginning has a solid logical rationale and talking about it shows this to be so.

Applying logical thought enables us to deal with bias. So the accusation is just some of your fishing around for "evidence" to support your bias.

Now, I fully anticipate a 'Wow you wrote a lot, I sure hit a nerve." (the 'You Got annoyed, so I must be right' ploy - so tempting it is even used on us when we don't get annoyed), but in fact it is valuing you in explaining yet again in hopes that you will become reasonable and either see your own wrongheadedness about this or it will at least let others see it and not be taken in by it.

(1) "claims that can handle more conditional changes " is an example. A stance of determined fence -sitting on all questions, disregarding whether the reasons and evidence says they are right or wrong.

(2)fallacy of numbers, for example "and the numbers do not support your anti-religion stance." A Gdnrule favourite.
what? this post of yourz is nonsense.
Talk about self justification of a personal emotional need, read this post ten times to yourself.

Peroid.


lmao, yeah claims that are not true for everybody are far better than those that are.
too funny.

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Old 06-13-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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You let yourself down with that last post, sunshine.
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Old 06-13-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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Remember: you can't spell "fundamentalism" without "mental."
And you can't spell it without "Fun".
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Old 06-13-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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I get it. lose the focus so that your belief statement flaw's are not exposed


The following is what you are disputing.
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"Fundies/millies are outside of the bell curve. List the personality traits of them and see for yourselves.

It's that stupid simple.

Now why do we middle folk doubt ourselves and let these milli/fundy mentals shout us down is another question.
I agree with ya, I was really talking about the middle of the roaders. You are not a middle of the roader "

I have no idea how you can think your stance is rational .... your whole gripe is "rational, unbiased, reasoning" of the middle of the roader seeing your anti-religious stance for what it is ... your personal vendetta. Which is fine, but don't call us lazy because we see it and don't wanna fight.
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Old 06-13-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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Good point on oblivion. It would be far too good for us heathens to get what we expected all along.
And yet there is "God will have all mankind to be saved for Christ gave Himself a ransom for all" (see 1 Timothy 2:4-6).

So oblivion and eternal torment are out of the equation.
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Old 06-13-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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And yet there is "God will have all mankind to be saved for Christ gave Himself a ransom for all" (see 1 Timothy 2:4-6).

So oblivion and eternal torment are out of the equation.
there is no reason to take the bible literal. You use half truths. Yes, to "live like christ" is fine. There are also many great self help portions in the bible like "you are not the most important thing ever".

But to take the bible literal has no meaning.
You make god small.
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Old 06-13-2016, 05:14 PM
 
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And yet there is "God will have all mankind to be saved for Christ gave Himself a ransom for all" (see 1 Timothy 2:4-6).

So oblivion and eternal torment are out of the equation.
Among things which have been made manifest in this atheist forum, is that there is not a single one of us, none, zip, zero, who thinks that scripture represents evidence of anything other than the opinion of its author. No one here is in awe of it. No one here grants it any special status or authority. No one here will accept scripture in lieu of evidence or well reasoned argument.

Despite this, here you are once more contributing your irrelevancy. It is a waste of your time, our time and cyberspace.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:45 PM
 
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I get it. lose the focus so that your belief statement flaw's are not exposed


The following is what you are disputing.
.
"Fundies/millies are outside of the bell curve. List the personality traits of them and see for yourselves.

It's that stupid simple.

Now why do we middle folk doubt ourselves and let these milli/fundy mentals shout us down is another question.
I agree with ya, I was really talking about the middle of the roaders. You are not a middle of the roader "

I have no idea how you can think your stance is rational .... your whole gripe is "rational, unbiased, reasoning" of the middle of the roader seeing your anti-religious stance for what it is ... your personal vendetta. Which is fine, but don't call us lazy because we see it and don't wanna fight.
What I am disputing is that 'Fundy' is an appropriate term for atheists, militant or not. What I am disputing is that you justify this canard by seeing 'emotional reaction' every time this is disputed, so as to fuel your confirmation bias. I am also now disputing your apparent slip (for a supposed atheist you know I have my doubts) of claiming "I have no idea how you can think your stance is rational ". It is simple - we don't believe in a god because the evidence for it is far from good enough .As an "atheist" what is your rationale?

Militancy is a different matter. We don't think it is good that that atheism is regarded so bad. We don't think it good that religion has such an influence when it is based on nothing rational, and we propose to do something about it. You needn't help if you don't want to, but, since your beef with us appears to be based on personal prejudice, not to say an emotional abreaction, please do stop slamming us.
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