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Old 03-17-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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That's also his MO. He hits and runs away. Been doing it for years.
That's fine. He's a downer when he shows back up anyway. He seems to like to bait people so he can play sanctimonious.
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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That when one dies one ceases to exist. The lights go out and all is quiet and you just become worm food. I’ve read this as an opinion. But no evidence has ever been presented. Just opinion. Can anyone help me out? Inquiring minds want to know.
Sure, contact your local coroner's office for details.

Or perhaps you'll get lucky and stumble across a decomposing body in a dipsy-dumpster, or in the woods or along the road.

You may also avail yourself to any number of text-books or college classes on brain function.

Your brain is nothing more than neurons and glial cells operating by electro-chemical processes. When you die, they stop functioning and begin decomposing.

Everything you know, and all that you are is gone. Permanently.

Anything real can be measured, quantified, observed, manipulated or experimented upon.

So, where is this "soul" you claim exists?

Yeah, that's right, if it exists, it can be captured and contained.

We can capture gases and liquids. Those are just lots of atoms, and we can capture atoms. We can even capture sub-atomic particles like protons, neutrons and electrons.

A single electron is not going to contain all of your memories or personality traits. That requires Billions of electrons.

And more than that, Billions of electrons in some coherent organized structure.

Except there is no possible way Billions of electrons can organize without also having Billions of protons.

And, then you'd need something to bind all the protons and electrons together, lest they scatter to the winds.

You can see how claims of a "soul" are absurd.
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Old 03-17-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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That when one dies one ceases to exist. The lights go out and all is quiet and you just become worm food. I’ve read this as an opinion. But no evidence has ever been presented. Just opinion. Can anyone help me out? Inquiring minds want to know.
Billions of people died ... not one came back.

the question is why would we say that there is an after life?
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Old 03-17-2019, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Billions of people died ... not one came back.

the question is why would we say that there is an after life?
Playing the devil's advocate (after all, I am an atheist), who said they have to come back to earth?
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:12 PM
 
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That when one dies one ceases to exist. The lights go out and all is quiet and you just become worm food. I’ve read this as an opinion. But no evidence has ever been presented. Just opinion. Can anyone help me out? Inquiring minds want to know.

You are asking a question that pertains to non physical, as physical is known, manifestation.
hence, you have to use non physical means to investigate this.
Simple exercise.
Find some dark quiet room, close your eyes and do your best to imagine two things:
1. not existing before birth
2. not existing after death.


Go ahead, report back. I know the answer anyway. You can't. Best you can do is to imagine some sort of existence in some form, but not none at all. Mind simply cuts off at that.



As mind is non physical (yes, it is. EMG recordings of brain function is not mind, it is simply aftereffects and physical manifestations of non physical mind work) - you have non physical evidence to your question.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:18 PM
 
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Playing the devil's advocate (after all, I am an atheist), who said they have to come back to earth?
I don't judge what people say on what they believe. I judge what they say on what they say. it either can be linked to the standard model or it can't. claims that offer a mechanism, explanation, prediction, and are repeatable ... are more valid than claims that don't have them. period. "god" and/or how I feel about religion never come directly into play for me. The universe works the way it works, weather I like religion or not.

back to the claim ...

if they never came/come back, and we don't know that they went somewhere else, then its more reasonable to say to say they haven't gone anywhere. for now.

that's all i can say.
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Old 03-17-2019, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I don't judge what people say on what they believe. I judge what they say on what they say. it either can be linked to the standard model or it can't. claims that offer a mechanism, explanation, prediction, and are repeatable ... are more valid than claims that don't have them. period. "god" and/or how I feel about religion never come directly into play for me. The universe works the way it works, weather I like religion or not.

back to the claim ...

if they never came/come back, and we don't know that they went somewhere else, then its more reasonable to say to say they haven't gone anywhere. for now.

that's all i can say.
Maybe, maybe not. I just LMAO reading the irrelevant stuff in so many of your posts.
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Maybe, maybe not. I just LMAO reading the irrelevant stuff in so many of your posts.
It is contagious?
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:17 AM
 
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Billions of people died ... not one came back.

the question is why would we say that there is an after life?
Not one came back in a form of energy that most of us could recognize!?
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:41 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Not one came back in a form of energy that most of us could recognize!?
More than that, so far as I know, there is no reliable evidence of any feedback from a supposed afterlife. Sure, we get a lot of claims and not all have been debunked or explained (Like NDEs) but unexplained is 'Unexplained', not evidence for an afterlife.

While your post answers the point very well, it leaves open the possibility that the afterlife manifests in a way that is unrecognisable. But that would fall into the category of claims that can neither be proven nor disproven and of course prove nothing either way.
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