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We can ALL play that game, such as those Christians who gassed the Jews in world war 2.
And nowhere did I see a very long and detailed defense of any atheist socialists that murdered Jews and Christians.
Yes, but Cro-Magnon man just never had a Christian upbringing.
You miss the point. Atrocities in world history are due to the flaws of MANKIND.
As for Christianity. The Old Testament is full of violence, but the New Testament preached "turned the other cheek" and socialism. That is why Christianity exploded. It was the first religion to promote kindness.
Dude, most people that entered the clergy in medieval times were simply seeking power. If you wanted power and wealth the thing to do was to become a bishop. Corruption in the Church was the order of the day and this simply represents the flaws of MAN.
So that is why they made also crusades against pagans and heretical Christians.
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Atheism is an integral part of communism.
Again, atheism is a small part of Marxism. So is sharing wealth, abolition of the class system, and a free health system. None of these lead to the atrocities done by people like of Stalin. But instead of pointing Stalin's atrocities as a flaw of man, you insist on pointing out his atheism.
This dishonest double standard would be amusing if it did not promote hatred against atheists by the less intelligent Christians.
You miss the point. Atrocities in world history are due to the flaws of MANKIND.
Except when done by atheists, apparently.
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As for Christianity. The Old Testament is full of violence, but the New Testament preached "turned the other cheek" and socialism. That is why Christianity exploded. It was the first religion to promote kindness.
The Greeks and Romans were promoting kindness before Christians even existed. The Essenes were basically socialists before them as well.
And did Christianity explode? Pliny the Younger, one of the most powerful people in the Roman empire knew nothing about them. In fact when he asked the Christians about their religion, they mentioned they were losing members.
So that is why they made also crusades against pagans and heretical Christians.
Wars usually have other angles, don't be naive.
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Again, atheism is a small part of Marxism. So is sharing wealth, abolition of the class system, and a free health system. None of these lead to the atrocities done by people like of Stalin.
This is the most incredulous naive statement in the forum. Abolition of the class system and sharing of the wealth is a billion times more oppressive than Christianity.
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This dishonest double standard would be amusing if it did not promote hatred against atheists by the less intelligent Christians.
Hatred????????????? Have you read the posts on this forum?
BTW, I am agnostic, but thanks for your jab of less intelligence. Talking about hatred!
And did Christianity explode? Pliny the Younger, one of the most powerful people in the Roman empire knew nothing about them. In fact when he asked the Christians about their religion, they mentioned they were losing members.
Dude, Christianity is the greatest force behind Western Civilization. I would call that an explosion.
Dude, most people that entered the clergy in medieval times were simply seeking power. If you wanted power and wealth the thing to do was to become a bishop. Corruption in the Church was the order of the day and this simply represents the flaws of MAN.
Atheism is an integral part of communism.
1. Dude, we appreciate you pointing out one of the great weaknesses/failures of christianity -- corruption.
2. It may be true that many communists are atheist. So what. The reverse is not necessarily true at all. It would be like saying that there are perverts in Montgomery County, Maryland, therefore everyone in Montgomery County, Maryland is a pervert. Dude.
Christian led countries started two world wars, the American Civil War, colonizing Africa and the New World where they committed genocides and near genocides. Christian led countries also installed brutal dictators in countries that tried to become maxis or socialist and also invaded nations for just because reasons.
I don't think the records from Christian led nations is something to be proud of.
One of the key goals of the Residential schools ran by the Catholic and Anglican churches was to make the chikdren of First Nations people Christians and they used physical, emotional and sexual abuse, malnutrition and severe beatings to accomplish that goal.
When a Christian rapes or kills a child, the religious claim that it was not religion that made the rapist do such, it is the fault of the man (or woman) however if an atheist does something wrong every single atheist is fully guilty of that crime and must be blamed. That shows just how dishonest some religious folks are, and I said some as most religious folks are not that hateful. I refuse to be held accountable for the deeds of a man who died when I was one year old. The Residential Schools were still operating when I was an adult.
Under the Christian Tsars life was hell for the Russian Jews and only marginally better for the Christian population. It iis less than funny how Christian apologists have little concern for life under Christians in Russia but only for life for Russians under the Communists. It's almost like deaths under Christian rulers doesn't matter.
This is the most incredulous naive statement in the forum. Abolition of the class system and sharing of the wealth is a billion times more oppressive than Christianity.
Your straw man has NOTHING to do with what I wrote. You may need to read it again.
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Hatred????????????? Have you read the posts on this forum?
Yes. And on other forums. Have you?
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BTW, I am agnostic, but thanks for your jab of less intelligence. Talking about hatred!
Dude, Christianity is the greatest force behind Western Civilization. I would call that an explosion.
An expansion after a 300 year fizzle is hardly an explosion. And then it took a lot of sword pointing. Fortunately other forces allowed our civilization to expand, despite Christianity.
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