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Old 08-08-2021, 11:55 PM
 
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This probably sounds similar to the Problem of Evil, but how do Theist folks 'reconcile' a supposedly 'caring God'... with the current universe full of cosmic violence and natural disasters, and where somewhere at this very moment, 'He' is also allowing another sun that once gave life and enabled a civilization just like ours, to instantly wipe it out in a star-gone-nova 'Extinction' event?

Or as a wishy-washy 'agnostic', perhaps I'm just not seeing the 'evidence' for the ever-popular 'loving, caring' kinda God (assuming any Deities even exist)?
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Old 08-09-2021, 04:47 AM
 
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This probably sounds similar to the Problem of Evil, but how do Theist folks 'reconcile' a supposedly 'caring God'... with the current universe full of cosmic violence and natural disasters, and where somewhere at this very moment, 'He' is also allowing another sun that once gave life and enabled a civilization just like ours, to instantly wipe it out in a star-gone-nova 'Extinction' event?

Or as a wishy-washy 'agnostic', perhaps I'm just not seeing the 'evidence' for the ever-popular 'loving, caring' kinda God (assuming any Deities even exist)?
What are the other possibilities other than existing and not existing?
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Old 08-09-2021, 08:33 AM
 
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This probably sounds similar to the Problem of Evil, but how do Theist folks 'reconcile' a supposedly 'caring God'... with the current universe full of cosmic violence and natural disasters, and where somewhere at this very moment, 'He' is also allowing another sun that once gave life and enabled a civilization just like ours, to instantly wipe it out in a star-gone-nova 'Extinction' event?

Or as a wishy-washy 'agnostic', perhaps I'm just not seeing the 'evidence' for the ever-popular 'loving, caring' kinda God (assuming any Deities even exist)?
Understanding the death of solar systems would require an expansion of perspective. Try to imagine that our solar system is just one "spiritual placenta of consciousness" within the vastness of God's consciousness. What happens when a placenta produces the fully mature fetal life it is developing? Just one possible answer is solar systems are part of God's reproductive system.
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Old 08-09-2021, 08:37 AM
 
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Beings were created with free will.. that is, to accept or reject God.

Lucifer was one of these beings.
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Old 08-09-2021, 08:48 AM
 
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Beings were created with free will.. that is, to accept or reject God.

Lucifer was one of these beings.
Where exactly did you get this information?
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Old 08-09-2021, 09:42 AM
 
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This probably sounds similar to the Problem of Evil, but how do Theist folks 'reconcile' a supposedly 'caring God'... with the current universe full of cosmic violence and natural disasters, and where somewhere at this very moment, 'He' is also allowing another sun that once gave life and enabled a civilization just like ours, to instantly wipe it out in a star-gone-nova 'Extinction' event?

Or as a wishy-washy 'agnostic', perhaps I'm just not seeing the 'evidence' for the ever-popular 'loving, caring' kinda God (assuming any Deities even exist)?
This is the Problem of Evil. And there is no solution that squares a being both omnipotent and benevolent with the suffering in the world.

The best you'll get are a variety of tired special pleadings that don't make any sense (which is what makes them special pleadings).
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Old 08-09-2021, 11:16 AM
 
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This is the Problem of Evil. And there is no solution that squares a being both omnipotent and benevolent with the suffering in the world.

The best you'll get are a variety of tired special pleadings that don't make any sense (which is what makes them special pleadings).
Pretty much agreed, though I tend to maybe draw some distinction between the 'evils' due to 'Natural' causes that we have little control over, and the 'human' varieties where we often maintain a fair degree of 'choice'.
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:25 PM
 
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Pretty much agreed, though I tend to maybe draw some distinction between the 'evils' due to 'Natural' causes that we have little control over, and the 'human' varieties where we often maintain a fair degree of 'choice'.
so the omni-parts may just be wrong. It loves as best it can. that is it.
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Old 08-09-2021, 01:46 PM
 
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Beings were created with free will.. that is, to accept or reject God.

Lucifer was one of these beings.
Please supply your evidence that Lucifer is as real as, say, the CDC.

Thank you.
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Old 08-10-2021, 07:45 AM
 
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This probably sounds similar to Problem of Evil, but how do Theist folks 'reconcile' a supposedly 'caring God'... with the current universe full of cosmic violence and natural disasters, and where somewhere at this very moment, 'He' is also allowing another sun that once gave life and enabled a civilization just like ours, to instantly wipe it out in a star-gone-nova 'Extinction' event? Or as a wishy-washy 'agnostic', perhaps I'm just not seeing the 'evidence' for the ever-popular 'loving, caring' kinda God (assuming any Deities even exist)?
i am wondering why would OP ask this in the atheist forum, if they (actually, genuinely, sincerely) want to hear what "theist folks" think?
sounds like talking about theists, instead of talking with theists.

sort of like at work for instance, talking about people and what you think of them; instead of talking directly with people about what they think.
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