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Old 09-14-2008, 03:31 PM
 
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Question How many atheist/agnostic presidents has America had?

I can think of only two off the top of my head: Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln. Of course, they paid lip service to "God" in public speeches and-- like Einstein--used the word "God" to denote a higher fundamental power. But it is obvious they were agnostic.

Any others?
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:39 PM
 
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I can think of only two off the top of my head: Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln. Of course, they paid lip service to "God" in public speeches and-- like Einstein--used the word "God" to denote a higher fundamental power. But it is obvious they were agnostic.

Any others?
If you DON'T want to be elected, just publicly question whether god exists or not. Just the quesion alone is political death.
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Old 09-14-2008, 06:37 PM
 
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  1. What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, Bigotry and Persecution. - James Madison
Maybe james madison was?
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Old 09-14-2008, 06:47 PM
 
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If you DON'T want to be elected, just publicly question whether god exists or not. Just the quesion alone is political death.
I wonder if there are ANY democracies where this will not be true. After all, these godless (and therefore immoral) atheists have caused so much trouble all over the world.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:37 AM
 
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I can think of only two off the top of my head: Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln. Of course, they paid lip service to "God" in public speeches and-- like Einstein--used the word "God" to denote a higher fundamental power. But it is obvious they were agnostic.

Any others?
Jefferson was a Diest, not an atheist. If you read a good Lincoln bio you'll find he was very much a God fearing believer.

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Old 09-15-2008, 07:03 AM
 
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Jefferson was a Diest, not an atheist. If you read a good Lincoln bio you'll find he was very much a God fearing believer.
Deism has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. A deist is basically a 17th-19th century term for an agnostic.

And Lincoln was not religious at all, either.
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:27 AM
 
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And Lincoln was not religious at all, either.
Seriously?

You must be kidding us.

Even a rudimentary look into Lincoln will tell you he believed in God and divine providence.

(Have you even read the Gettysburg address? It's pretty short and might help you keep from seeming so un-studied.)
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:02 AM
 
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Lincoln's faith was under intense scrutiny for his whole political career, even his wife acknowledged that he was not particularly religious.

As far as the Gettysburg Address is concerned, it was not a religious speech.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:18 AM
 
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Lincoln's faith was under intense scrutiny for his whole political career, even his wife acknowledged that he was not particularly religious.

As far as the Gettysburg Address is concerned, it was not a religious speech.
'Intense scrutiny' and 'Lincoln was not religious at all' are two totally different comments. You're using the old 'bait and switch' game. Few, if any, well-studied and versed historians would agree with the latter, although you might find several that would agree with the former.

Try browsing this Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln and see what you come up with.

There's a particularly interesting tome there I'd ask you to read ( I believe you can read it in it's entirety online) called Spiritual pilgrimage of Abraham Lincoln, by Elton Trueblood. If you really are interested in what the question you pose in the OP, then research the validity of it yourself.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:40 AM
 
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I can think of only two off the top of my head: Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln. Of course, they paid lip service to "God" in public speeches and-- like Einstein--used the word "God" to denote a higher fundamental power. But it is obvious they were agnostic.

Any others?
Actually, they weren't agnostic; I've read several documents that they have written and neither one denies the existence of God. These two men are called Deists; they believe that God does exist, but they believe that He worked through natural laws and the mechanics of our universe. God has merely taken a back seat and let us live our lives. In fact, most of the early Presidents were deists.
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