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Old 10-04-2008, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Tennessee/Michigan
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MADISON, Wis. The nation's largest group of atheists and agnostics is suing President Bush, the governor of Wisconsin and other officials over the federal law designating a National Day of Prayer.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation sued Friday in U.S. district court, arguing that the president's mandated proclamations calling on Americans to pray violates a constitutional ban on government officials endorsing religion.


FOXNews.com - Atheists Sue President Over National Prayer Day - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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I normally would have no problem with asking people to pray because it is a practice, in one form or another, of every religion I know of, and one can always elect not to.

I am, by this time, so sick of Christianity interfering with our political system and schools and candidate campaigning, that I am for anything that handicaps religion.

It really irks me that a group of born-agains and Catholics think they are justified in interjecting their religious beliefs into the civic life of the rest of us. I also feel sad that I have allowed these characters to so set me against all public religious expressions, but they have.

I consider it/religion a great threat to our democratic ideals.
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Old 10-13-2008, 08:08 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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I normally would have no problem with asking people to pray because it is a practice, in one form or another, of every religion I know of, and one can always elect not to.

I am, by this time, so sick of Christianity interfering with our political system and schools and candidate campaigning, that I am for anything that handicaps religion.

It really irks me that a group of born-agains and Catholics think they are justified in interjecting their religious beliefs into the civic life of the rest of us. I also feel sad that I have allowed these characters to so set me against all public religious expressions, but they have.

I consider it/religion a great threat to our democratic ideals.
Yup, I'd say you have a pretty good grasp of the problem, now, what can we find as a solution that doesn't entail explosive devices or automatic weapons, oops, I forgot, those are the weapons of the xtians. Did you know that to be a member of the Ku Klux Klan, or the American Nazi Party, you HAVE TO BE a christ-er! Tis one of their qualifications, and doing a good job of living up to the religion I'd say.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:12 AM
 
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Yup, I'd say you have a pretty good grasp of the problem, now, what can we find as a solution that doesn't entail explosive devices or automatic weapons, oops, I forgot, those are the weapons of the xtians. Did you know that to be a member of the Ku Klux Klan, or the American Nazi Party, you HAVE TO BE a christ-er! Tis one of their qualifications, and doing a good job of living up to the religion I'd say.
Yes. I used to be naive and think that religious people only wished to worship god and do good works. Now, I see that they want power and control and that so many wars are either started or exacerbated by religion.

THis must be so because I do not see any contrary opinions being given by people of these faiths.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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It doesn't seem to be working, so what is the difference if they pray or not under the banner of the USA. Let it all come down... i'm getting tired of the hypocrisy...


godspeed,



freedom
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:33 PM
 
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It doesn't seem to be working, so what is the difference if they pray or not under the banner of the USA. Let it all come down... i'm getting tired of the hypocrisy...


godspeed,



freedom
I think it matters, because they twist the purpose of religion into something corrupt and create much hatred against religion.
It matters because they are trying to interject their narrow religious beliefs into the public school system.
It matters because the Republican party seems to have been taken over by these radical nutnicks and everyone who runs, in either party, must do homage to their strange biblical god.
I believe both candidates of both parties would rather not be mentioning their belief in god during something as crass and worldly as the election process, but these mentally arthritic Christians put them into a position where they must.
Why do you think that initially Sarah Palin was so attractive as a candidate to McCain? She is a frozen minded Christian fundamentalist. What do you think attracted all those crowds to her? A good part of them mix religion and politics and though they say they loved Reagan - he really did not believe as they do, and I doubt, if he were alive today and just started running, that they would vote for him unless he slung a few bible verses at them.

As though they are the only religion, their god the only god. No one else's viewpoint matters. Well, in George Bush they got the president they deserve - for two terms - but the rest of us did not deserve him.
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Old 10-16-2008, 07:22 AM
 
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Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party is extremely detalied on the lowering of the church-state wall which makes the constitution and the country weaker.
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Old 10-18-2008, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Sheffield, England
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I don't really see the point of suing to be honest. If you don't like it just don't pray. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to to get something changed that doesn't affect atheists or agnostics anyway.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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I don't really see the point of suing to be honest. If you don't like it just don't pray. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to to get something changed that doesn't affect atheists or agnostics anyway.
I believe in God, and don't even think there is no place in schools for the discussion of religion, the comparisons of them, why some believe and others do not. How they contributed to history. Is their overall effect on humanity good or bad?

Even the techniques used in various religions, prayers, etc, to open or enhance the spirit.

I just do not believe school should be a place of public worship or the favoritism of one religion over another. I remember some Jewish kids in my class when I was a little kid and how our teacher told us to bring a favorite Christmas carol in. Even as a very young child I thought that was unfair and terrible.

I don't even believe the pledge of allegiance should be said at school. I think schools should be open to all ideas, strictly a place of learning and mental stimulation. Not a place of indoctrination of any kind.

At least in my school it was voluntary and I left the room for all of that. My friend, a little later, joined me. I was a pretty much shy kid, I just don't like being treated like a puppet.

I am proud of my country when it does good and ashamed when it does wrong. Like people, a country can grow and get better or regress into something very ugly. And, like people, it is only through introspection and impartial criticism that we can learn to be better.

We should be loyal to our ideals and push our country and ourselves to live up to them.

Flags and bibles are sometimes used as substitutes for real ideas and to stifle open discussion. In themselves they are no problem, but are often used by evil people to move the public into their camp. Look at George W. He pulled that little trick on us. We should be wary of people who wear flags and carry bibles - just in case they are really hiding rotten fish behind those symbols.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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There was onther lawsuite against God that amused me, specifically because of the reason it was thrown out. The judge threw out the case because since God dosent have a valid address, he cannot therefore be served properly.

Law suit against God thrown out (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_fe_st/suing_god - broken link)
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