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Old 04-07-2009, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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Ray Comfort is a goober. Perhaps a better debate would be William Lane Craig, or Alvin Plantinga vs. John Loftus or Dawkins. Craig just debated Hitchens and by most accounts mopped him. Check out Debunking Christianity for some good links to reviews.
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:17 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Dawkins has no reason to apologize for his "alien remarks," because the only way people are able to ridicule him for it is when they twist it around and don't understand what he said. He never said he believes aliens created us, just that it's an equally viable explanation to goddidit since we have no evidence either way. Even in that video, it said, "and Dawkins believes we may have been created by aliens!" No, he just doesn't reject it as impossible, just like every other unprovable creation story.

Comfort, on the other hand, completely missed his target with his banana and had to change his argument from "the banana was created by god because it couldn't have happened naturally" to "humans have the ability to selectively breed bananas so god must have given us the intelligence to do it." If he really meant to just use our intelligence as the argument, he wouldn't have said anything about a banana that he thought humans had nothing to do with.

But the fact that we don't have everything perfect (in fact the world is very hostile to us), and have had to work hard and build off the efforts of our ancestors who suffered gravely for their lack of technology, seems to highlight a severe lack of evidence for a (benevolent) creator.
I agree...Many Christians do seem to ignore the ninth commandment don't they....Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
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Old 04-07-2009, 03:30 AM
 
Location: DFW
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I've not watched too many debates with Ray Comfort. Going by his performance vs RRS, then Dawkins could probably just sleep the whole time. Five seconds of Comfort's squeamish fallacious illogical rants are all it would take to defeat himself.
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Old 04-07-2009, 03:31 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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I'm not an ardent fan of Dawkins (the philosopher) and although I don't agree with everything he says, I profoundly respect him as an inspirational biologist, professor, and science writer regardless of his somewhat open condemnatory position on all of religion.

The fact of the matter is that it's been well known for some time that Dawkins does not debate Creationists as he's pointed out numerous times due to the fact that there is no debate to be had and, as he says, by arguing with them, it actually gives credence to the idea that there are two scientifically comparable and plausible theories.

Furthermore, Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist. Ray Comfort is an idiot who knows absolutely nothing about the theory of evolution and has determined for himself that a belief in evolution contradicts everything about the Bible. The pairing of those two is absurd. It'd be like a person who has never been around an airplane challenging me to a debate on how an MD-11 autoflight system works. It'd be a complete and utter waste of time and only give credence to the layman's position regardless of whatever ignorance and stupidity their knowledge was wrought out of.

Finally, it's my understanding that Dawkins said he'd accept the debate challenge for $100,000 not to line his own pockets but to have it donated to his own charity "The Richard Dawkins Foundations" which aims to spread the idea of rational thinking and scientific education around the world, have Ray Comfort reprise his banana argument and have the debate videotaped by the Richard Dawkins Foundation team.

In the end, no good would come from it because Ray Comfort's arguments are so absurdly stupid and ill-founded on a bedrock of intellectual dishonesty that it would only make a spectacle of a prestigious professor. Not because Dawkins would fail to handle himself but because giving people like Ray Comfort and other cretinous trolls like him is like saying they make valid points that should be addressed.

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Old 04-07-2009, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Brussels, Belgium
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Well, if you want to know why Dawkins refused, why not just read what he said on his own website, rather than put words in his mouth and intentions in his head?
RichardDawkins.net Forum - "Bananaman" Comfort challenges RD with $10,000
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:41 AM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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It'd be like a person who has never been around an airplane challenging me to a debate on how an MD-11 autoflight system works. It'd be a complete and utter waste of time and only give credence to the layman's position regardless of whatever ignorance and stupidity their knowledge was wrought out of.
Ok, I'm game. I know nothing about the MD-11 autoflight system and I stand ready to make a lot of unfounded absurd assertions based on my complete ignorance of the subject.

Trouble is, it like talking to a blank wall. They just keep saying the same dumb things. I wouldn't expect someone of Dawkins fame to accept a measly $20 grand for showing up in the same room even if he intended to pocket the money. Why should he?
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:10 AM
 
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OP - suggest your guy has the testicular fortitude to debate Chris Hitchens who was in a debate with 4 christians in Dallas recently (Atheist author, apologists debate topic of God at Dallas' Christian Book Expo | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Religion | The Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/religion/stories/032209dnmetreligiondebate.31beb52.html - broken link)). Here is an excerpt confirming Chris is looking for a debate:
Hitchens began by noting that after the publication of his book God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, he asked his publisher to send him on a different kind of promotional tour, one that would guarantee discussion with people of faith.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:33 AM
 
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Comfort will kill him 1 on 1 in a debate.
With what?....that stupid banana argument again?

For those of you who don't know: One of comfort's big arguments for God having an active role in evolution is the banana. He makes the point that the banana fits in a primate's hand perfectly, it comes in it own wrapper, it has a pull-tab for easy opening, etc. Based on these features, Comfort states that this is clear evidence that God designed the banana for the implicit purpose of providing nourishment to primates/humans.

What Comfort doesn't realize in this argument is that the banana he is talking about and we are all familiar with is the product of 5000 years of artificial breeding/farming by HUMANS.

A wild banana is smaller, starchier, full of seeds and shaped more like a football. The good folks of Columbia and Costa Rica have had more to do with today's banana being the nutritious fruit for the human species more than God had ever initially designed (supposedly).

FAIL.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:36 AM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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With what?....that stupid banana argument again?

For those of you who don't know: One of comfort's big arguments for God having an active role in evolution is the banana. He makes the point that the banana fits in a primate's hand perfectly, it comes in it own wrapper, it has a pull-tab for easy opening, etc. Based on these features, Comfort states that this is clear evidence that God designed the banana for the implicit purpose of providing nourishment to primates/humans.

What Comfort doesn't realize in this argument is that the banana he is talking about and we are all familiar with is the product of 5000 years of artificial breeding/farming by HUMANS.

A wild banana is smaller, starchier, full of seeds and shaped more like a football. The good folks of Columbia and Costa Rica have had more to do with today's banana being the nutritious fruit for the human species more than God had ever initially designed (supposedly).

FAIL.
Ah yes, Argument from ignorance. Always a winner.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:50 AM
 
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Comfort's whole argument against evolution centers on the incorrect assumption that it is individual that evolves. The theory of evolution states that populations of species evolve, not individuals from one generation to the next.

As Dawkin's might say: Comfort need to raise his consciousness in order to fully understand evolution. Until then, he just won't "get it".
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