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Old 04-28-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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I believe children at a certain age, heaven. mentally ill-heaven. I even believe some drug addicts will go to heaven. How's that for a mean fundamentalist?
Inconsistent, that's what it is.

You yourself said if someone "truly becomes a Christian" then they're always saved. Someone who cannot make a conscious choice for themselves cannot truly choose.

You can't have it both ways.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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I believe children at a certain age, heaven. mentally ill-heaven. I even believe some drug addicts will go to heaven. How's that for a mean fundamentalist?
If your god can send anyone to burn forever for the sins of a few years on earth, I don't think its a stretch to believe he can do the same to children or the mentally ill.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:20 PM
 
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Many Christians run around not having a clue what the attributes of God is. There are answers for your questions and you will be surprised what they are.
As though you do, Fundamentalist? What has been bestowed upon you other than your own personal interpretation and mindset to determine what the attributes of God are? Is it the pernicious, arrogant and self-centered God you continue to claim is worthy of worship that has revealed himself to you and closed-minded people like you what his attributes are?

You lament on what the attributes of a God are based on your own personal interpretation, reflection, and projection of how you interpret the Bible. This does not make you wrong, per se, but it definitely should give you pause before making such solid statements acting as the guarantor of the ultimate truth because it is your personal interpretation you wish to condemn, hate, and oppress with.

And, just to be fair... You're absolutely right. Many Christians run around not having a clue what the attributes of God are. Because my own personal understanding of the Biblical God and Jesus is inherently different than what many Christians seem to profess. In fact... My understanding of it would make you one of those very people... But, that would be my own biased opinion getting in the way of things... I'd hate for that to happen.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:27 PM
 
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Many who are now ex-Christian also claimed to follow the word faithfully and grow in holiness. If they were deceived, and deceived others, then how can you be sure that you are truly "saved"? You may one day deconvert.
I thought about that the other night because lately I have not been feeling myself and I haven't been praying nor reading my bible. I thought could I go back to my old life knowing what I know now, having the experience I felt?

The answer was no way. I would be miserable. I always think about God. Before we are saved we are spiritually dead, we can't save ourselves He saves us so how can one have the power to un save himself?
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:29 PM
 
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If your god can send anyone to burn forever for the sins of a few years on earth, I don't think its a stretch to believe he can do the same to children or the mentally ill.
No it wouldn't be a stretch because He has the right to do anything except contradict His word which would be a sin thus He wouldn't be God.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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As though you do, Fundamentalist? What has been bestowed upon you other than your own personal interpretation and mindset to determine what the attributes of God are? Is it the pernicious, arrogant and self-centered God you continue to claim is worthy of worship that has revealed himself to you and closed-minded people like you what his attributes are?

You lament on what the attributes of a God are based on your own personal interpretation, reflection, and projection of how you interpret the Bible. This does not make you wrong, per se, but it definitely should give you pause before making such solid statements acting as the guarantor of the ultimate truth because it is your personal interpretation you wish to condemn, hate, and oppress with.

And, just to be fair... You're absolutely right. Many Christians run around not having a clue what the attributes of God are. Because my own personal understanding of the Biblical God and Jesus is inherently different than what many Christians seem to profess. In fact... My understanding of it would make you one of those very people... But, that would be my own biased opinion getting in the way of things... I'd hate for that to happen.
I appreciate all you said but despite how you feel of what God is or should be, the question remains. Is it true? Does the God of the bible actually exist? and IF He does then under what authority can you question your Creator's motive or even His morals?
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:34 PM
 
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I appreciate all you said but despite how you feel of what God is or should be, the question remains. Is it true? Does the God of the bible actually exist? and IF He does then under what authority can you question your Creator's motive or even His morals?
And how is it you fail to ask yourself those questions but persist in asking me these very questions? Is your interpretation and understanding true, Fundamentalist? Does the God of the Bible actually exist? And, IF he does exist then under what authority can you question other people's understanding and conception of the Bible, their motives, or their interpretation of morals?
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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Inconsistent, that's what it is.

You yourself said if someone "truly becomes a Christian" then they're always saved. Someone who cannot make a conscious choice for themselves cannot truly choose.

You can't have it both ways.
God judges accordingly. God can not hold it against them who does not have the mental capacity to truly understand what they are doing? What is difficult? please explain.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Before we are saved we are spiritually dead, we can't save ourselves He saves us so how can one have the power to un save himself?
Ah, now you sound like a Calvinist. Predestination and all that. If one is pre-destined for salvation then why bother with caring about another's or even your salvation? The god-thing has it all worked out so there is nothing you can do about it anyway. You can even think you're saved and not really be. You could be running around thinking you're not, but you really are. But there's the free will concept so you still have to come to a god who is going to save you anyway and even if you fall away you'll come back but then again you might not really be saved in the first place even though you are. Shew! All this thinking must drive you people crazy.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:38 PM
 
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Is it true? Does the God of the bible actually exist?
Magic 8-Ball says "Nope".
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