Atheist Deconversion

[calmdude]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

You have one flaw in your plan, "once saved always saved" When a person truly becomes a Christian they can never leave even if they wanted to. People who go back to their old lives were never truly Christian to begin with.

(1 John 2:19)

19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

Originally Posted by catman

Christianity is antidemocratic. It says that if you don't do it our way, you're going to "Hell". What kind of a choice is that? .

See above post - he is saying "Heads I win, tails you lose". So, Christianity (or his version) has its unique rules.

Originally Posted by catman

Look back in history and see how "democratic" governments have been that linked Christianity with the coercive power of the state. The more separated they are, the more democracy can flourish. Of course separation doesn't guarantee democracy, but it's a necessary condition.

True - usually, the less the interference from religion, the better it is for science. It was interesting that some fundies attribute so much development as being a christian thing while they ignore the older contributions of non-christian civilizations in China, India, Iraq, etc. If we become a theocracy, we and our science/technology will start to degrade soon. But they are trying hard - the creationsim hallucination almost became legit as it almost got into TX school books.

[nightflight]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

oh come now, algebra Islam? art is the best you can do? Christianity influenced music, classical music. The first radio broadcast was aired so that Christian music could be player, Christianity introduced democracy.

Ideas of democracy came from ancient Greece, not Christianity.

[nightflight]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

I know the Greeks had congress but they had a King as well. I have read my history my friend.

Lol......are you for real? You do realize that Christian Europe had kings, right?

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by nightflight

Ideas of democracy came from ancient Greece, not Christianity.

Everyone's understanding here on this is absolutely correct. I believe it's origin is Greek, but even perfected further by Roman Senates. Christianity never was never political in the beginning anyway, but eventually did become political later. That changed with apostate influence in the 3rd & 4th centuries. In the beginning though, rather than following any type of Greek-Roman democratic structure, it would seem that the Holy Roman Empire used a sort of Aristocratic Religious rule, which included adoption of the pagan Pontifex Maximus titled used by the Roman High Priest as head of pagan Rome: Pontifex Maximus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Today as as we know simply as Pontif (or Pope) and rather than following any type of democracy, they used a type of Clerical Emperor and hierachy which ruled with absolute power and authority. This went on for centuries. Democracy as we now know it did'nt really come about till centuries later.

I've spoken with many Fundies over the years and it is their belief that God is working his purpose through Democracies around the world and hence their support of anything right-winged throughout the planet. Most of the extreme political fundies appear to be Baptists of which there are hundreds of variations. Billy Graham (Baptist) being one of the more famous notable ones was extremely political. But the original biblical Christianity had nothing to do with democracy or any other type of governing pursuit. It was Verboten !!!