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I often wonder if proclaimed atheists base their philosophical bias on overwhelming rationale , or, if it just fits in best with ones desired personal lifestyle(s) that offers maximized permissiveness . Looking back, when i considered myself 'an atheist' for 10 adult years, it was certainly the latter. Examining the following , I dont think anyone has enough faith to be a true atheist (www.impactapologetics.com ... for the compelling book by the same title) . Regards.
How rational is a piece of Pond Scum coming from accidental
chemicals graduating to a 206 bone human being with 60 anatomical
systems that all work in unison and depend on one another so you can live? How
rational are the raw materials left over from a Big Bang such as dirt, planets, rocks, and chemicals in deciding then making NON material personality traits such as abstract thought , love, reasoning, moral oughtness, and rationalizing ?
How rational are compilations of accidents and alot of time going from a big explosion
of raw materials and raw chemicals to providing incredible specified complexity/engineering for such things as DNA and its astonishing informational message systems therein ? How
rational is defending that there are no moral absolute laws to live
according to, yet demanding others treat you in accordance TO them all the time and in every situation, so
you dont feel slighted ? How rational is it to force yourself to
think first life came about from non intelligence when the worlds
foremost atheist micro biologist and co founder of the DNA structure ,
Dr. Francis Crick, affirms in his own book that world reknown physicist Prof. Fred Hoyle calculated the chances at 10^40,000 th power (NO chance) of
it occuring this way ? How rational is it to pretend there is no
purposed intelligent design to the Cosmos when science has verified over 250 razor edge precise / extremely
narrow defined Physics Parameters of our Cosmos (anthropics) that
are ALL required and that ALL depend on one another for their own
function, so we can have a place to call home ?
Has anyone truly got so much faith that they think all of the above 'just happened' naturally and for no ultimate purpose ?! Only if the faces of Mt. Rushmore could be assembled by volcanic activity, wind, soil erosion, sun, and millions of years.
Has anyone truly got so much faith that they think all of the above 'just happened' naturally and for no ultimate purpose ?! Only if the faces of Mt. Rushmore could be assembled by volcanic activity, wind, soil erosion, sun, and millions of years.
Atheism is simply the absence of belief in god or the supernatural, therefore atheism doesn't require faith of any sort. And your watchmaker reference has been debunked repeatedly.
Atheism is simply the absence of belief in god or the supernatural, therefore atheism doesn't require faith of any sort. And your watchmaker reference has been debunked repeatedly.
With respect, today's neo-atheism is far more than an "absence" of faith. There's a certain vitriol and hatred present in today's atheists that goes deeper than just not believing.
Atheism is simply the absence of belief in god or the supernatural, therefore atheism doesn't require faith of any sort. And your watchmaker reference has been debunked repeatedly.
Your definition of atheism is a common misconception ; EVERY person alive has a worldview -- even proclaimed atheists. We each have a view on origins ; we are alive and we have a finite universe about us and that begs some explanation . While many atheists would like to be let off the hook by simply asserting 'we dont believe in god , the supernatural, et al..' , such people DO in fact substitute something for a personal theistic Creator ; to the atheist/humanist , that of course is materialism and naturalism ... or, it all happened by chance with no purpose. That might have flown in past centuries...but with modern science discovering just how finetuned and razor edge precise our cosmos has to be in order for earth to be the way it is, it no longer gets off the ground.
Lastly, the exquisite design thru enormous specified complexity of our cosmos , etc...has NEVER been rationally debunked by any atheist at any time in history, nor can it be. However, many former devout atheists have confessed to suppressing the knowledge of the evidences for a personal theistic Creator (God) because they valued thier lifestyle autonomy over admitting the truth .
Your definition of atheism is a common misconception ; EVERY person alive has a worldview -- even proclaimed atheists. We each have a view on origins ; we are alive and we have a finite universe about us and that begs some explanation . While many atheists would like to be let off the hook by simply asserting 'we dont believe in god , the supernatural, et al..' , such people DO in fact substitute something for a personal theistic Creator ; to the atheist/humanist , that of course is materialism and naturalism ... or, it all happened by chance with no purpose. That might have flown in past centuries...but with modern science discovering just how finetuned and razor edge precise our cosmos has to be in order for earth to be the way it is, it no longer gets off the ground.
Lastly, the exquisite design thru enormous specified complexity of our cosmos , etc...has NEVER been rationally debunked by any atheist at any time in history, nor can it be. However, many former devout atheists have confessed to suppressing the knowledge of the evidences for a personal theistic Creator (God) because they valued thier lifestyle autonomy over admitting the truth .
evidences? for a personal theistic creator? What's the evidence? How do you know it's personal if it doesn't talk or even show itself? Those that claim it does have too wide a variance in stories for it to be a consistent single outside source, and psychology explains these "experiences" well without any supernatural cause.
I often wonder if proclaimed atheists base their philosophical bias on overwhelming rationale , or, if it just fits in best with ones desired personal lifestyle(s) that offers maximized permissiveness . Looking back, when i considered myself 'an atheist' for 10 adult years, it was certainly the latter. Examining the following , I dont think anyone has enough faith to be a true atheist (www.impactapologetics.com ... for the compelling book by the same title) . Regards.
How rational is a piece of Pond Scum coming from accidental
chemicals graduating to a 206 bone human being with 60 anatomical
systems that all work in unison and depend on one another so you can live? How
rational are the raw materials left over from a Big Bang such as dirt, planets, rocks, and chemicals in deciding then making NON material personality traits such as abstract thought , love, reasoning, moral oughtness, and rationalizing ?
How rational are compilations of accidents and alot of time going from a big explosion
of raw materials and raw chemicals to providing incredible specified complexity/engineering for such things as DNA and its astonishing informational message systems therein ? How
rational is defending that there are no moral absolute laws to live
according to, yet demanding others treat you in accordance TO them all the time and in every situation, so
you dont feel slighted ? How rational is it to force yourself to
think first life came about from non intelligence when the worlds
foremost atheist micro biologist and co founder of the DNA structure ,
Dr. Francis Crick, affirms in his own book that world reknown physicist Prof. Fred Hoyle calculated the chances at 10^40,000 th power (NO chance) of
it occuring this way ? How rational is it to pretend there is no
purposed intelligent design to the Cosmos when science has verified over 250 razor edge precise / extremely
narrow defined Physics Parameters of our Cosmos (anthropics) that
are ALL required and that ALL depend on one another for their own
function, so we can have a place to call home ?
Has anyone truly got so much faith that they think all of the above 'just happened' naturally and for no ultimate purpose ?! Only if the faces of Mt. Rushmore could be assembled by volcanic activity, wind, soil erosion, sun, and millions of years.
Forget about atheism for a second, what happens when you meet any of the majority of christians who do in fact believe in evolution?
Lastly, the exquisite design thru enormous specified complexity of our cosmos , etc...has NEVER been rationally debunked by any atheist at any time in history, nor can it be.
Why does the atheist need to debunk the claim that the enormous complexity is from a supernatural being? An atheist make no claim that it was created by a supernatural being and so there is nothing to prove. The atheist believes in the null hypothesis.
The burden of proof is on the person who believes in the supernatural being to prove that they created the universe.
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evidences? for a personal theistic creator? What's the evidence? How do you know it's personal if it doesn't talk or even show itself? Those that claim it does have too wide a variance in stories for it to be a consistent single outside source, and psychology explains these "experiences" well without any supernatural cause.
You already have all the evidences you need to believe in a theistic Creator for our universe and for your Human Body, DNA, etc ,ad infinitum. But for convenience, i did list but a brief few in the OP. Moreover, do you WANT to have the evidence ? You know the cosmos is replete with design and that designs can only come from a Designer at work , so, how come you dont want there to be a Designer which only a Person can be ? The Creator is not only necessary for what we have, but, he has to be personal to bring into existence a personal universe complete with operational razor precise / life-enabling Physics Constants ALL required so we can live . You ARE personal , arnt you ?! The reason we know there is a personal almighty Being , is because it takes a PERSON to will something into being and to place into operation ; do raw materials and raw chemicals have a Will ? No, they dont think or direct., they react. And they dont bring about 250+ life enabling Constants which work collaboratively and are necessary for their own sustenance.
Now... if youre going to hold to atheism as a valid alternative , then according to the same rationale, you have to truly believe that the faces of Mt. Rushmore could be assembled by volcanic activity, wind, soil erosion, sun, and millions of years...apart from intelligent intervention. Do you ? Mt. Rushmore pales in comparison to the Anthropics we have and to the complexity found in the DNA molecule., plus hundreds of other examples.
I respectfully submit, no atheist has the amount of FAITH required to be a real one ; egro, there is really no such thing as 'an atheist' --- only those who refuse to admit a personal theistic Creator IS required (just like for Mt. Rushmore) .
With respect, today's neo-atheism is far more than an "absence" of faith. There's a certain vitriol and hatred present in today's atheists that goes deeper than just not believing.
Sure, your definition fits some...but not all.
It doesn't take "faith" to have contempt for something.
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