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Old 09-30-2009, 07:53 PM
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I have absolutely no argument with agnostics, I have never been stopped and preached at by one. That is a lot more than I could honestly say about christers.
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Old 09-30-2009, 08:15 PM
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:38 PM
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I don't really think about agnostics. Agnostics, for the most part, have thought about the issues and made an intellectual decision to become agnostic. They also aren't into evangelizing or 'spreading the word.'
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:39 AM
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all agnostics I've met so far have been accepting and tolerant of most everyone, so I find it easy to talk to them. Like was said above ...if christians were like this, we'd have no problems with them either.
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:57 AM
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As a Theistic Evolutionist, I get along better with hard core atheists better than hard core Christians. The Christians like to lump me in with everyone else who disagrees with them more often than the atheists do. But then, I suppose I know several atheists who don't like me very much either.
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:07 AM
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I have no problems with anyone unless they try to push their views on me as the only truth. No one can know all the truth in the human sense. I think athiest and agnostics are just people, like everyone else, trying to make their way in the world the best they know how. I have met many athiests and agnostics who are much better people than biblers or anyone who adheres to one set of beliefs. I think if we open ourselves up to all that there is then we can better discern what path we want to take that will make us better people towards ourselves and others. When we stick to just one possibility then we can go no further than what that one possibility can bring.
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:02 PM
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I agree with George H, Smith's definitions, which state that atheism/theism pertain to two different matters. Atheism/theism define whether one believes in a god or not, while agnosticism/gnosticism define whether one thinks it is possible to have any knowledge of whether there is a god or not. So that makes me an agnostic-atheist; in other words, I don't think there is any way to know whether or not a god exists, so why believe in something which I cannot possibly have knowledge of? Like Dawkins, I think the likelihood of the existence of a god is extremely unlikely, but it cannot completely be ruled out.
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:11 PM
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I think this is a point of view for which there is weak justification. For what reason would the Supreme Being want to be "hidden" from all that is created? And if being hidden is what the Supreme Being prefers, why was the universe created at all? That would intimate that the Supreme Being is actually malevolent. (That is, wind up the "toy" universe and watch its constituents tear themselves apart. But the Supreme Being, as omniscient, already foresaw all of that, so what would be the point?)

Too many loose ends.
But in a sense, the very question you asked is part of the conundrum. To go along with what you said, we have to assume that this "Supreme Being" is some sort of anthropomorphic god in the Judeo-Christian/Muslim mold. What if this thing that people call a "god" is nothing more that some sort of impersonal force (not trying to get all Star Wars-ish here)? What if it is some sort of spirit that pervades everything outside of the physical world? What if it is sort of spirit that pervades not only a spiritual realm, but also the physical world such as pantheists believe. If any of those is the case, then your argument does not apply.

For myself, being agnostic, I simply don't know what "god" is (if it even exists).
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:59 PM
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Do atheists think agnostics are indecisive wimps?

Do agnostics think atheists go too far?

If you're in one camp, share your views on the other.
It's the same thing. Agnostic = Atheism.
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:54 PM
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I can understand why people would be agnostic.

I can also understand why someone who is an atheist my call themselves agnostic to avoid the bigotry.

Agnostic and atheist have a common sense of skepticism of any supernatural claims, (in general). So we get along well.
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