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Old 12-05-2009, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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WHat is the most important thing to you?

How do you define Love?

Have you ever experienced anything that your eyes did not see, ears did not hear, and tongue did not taste, hand did not feel, nose did not smell?
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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WHat is the most important thing to you?

How do you define Love?

Have you ever experienced anything that your eyes did not see, ears did not hear, and tongue did not taste, hand did not feel, nose did not smell?
The most important thing to me? My family - my wife, my parents, my brother and sister, my grandparents, my dogs. I try to be a loving son, brother, husband, grandson, etc... to the best of my abilities.

How do I define love? I feel that love is a bit of an abstract concept. To each person it's an individual and unique experience. However, to best try and define it in my own words and how I view it, I would say it's the emotional feeling of having connected or bonded with someone so deeply they become a "part" of you. Those people I've mentioned as the most important thing to me signify a deep relationship of trust, caring, sympathy, and mentorship. If I were to lose one of those people it would also feel as though I've lost a part of my life.

I read a book several months ago that was one of the most powerful and unique reading pleasures in my life. It came the closest to describing love in a way that can and will stay with my for a very long time. Two quotes I'd like to share:

It's forgiveness that makes us what we are. Without forgiveness, our species would've annihilated itself in endless retributions. Without forgiveness, there would be no history. Without that hope, there would be no art, for every work of art is in some way an act of forgiveness. Without that dream, there would be no love, for every act of love is in some way a promise to forgive. We live on because we can love, and we love because we can forgive. - Gregory David Roberts, Shantaram

At first, when we truly love someone, our greatest fear is that the loved one will stop loving us. What we should fear and dread instead is that we won’t stop loving them, even after they are dead and gone. - Gregory David Roberts, Shantaram

For your third question, I would answer "sorta." I would define that "sorta" as emotion. No, I don't feel (in the colloquial sense of what the word 'feel' means) emotion, I don't taste it, I don't smell it, I don't hear it, and I don't see it.

I do "feel" my emotions in a different sense but those feelings have every bit to do with my sensory inputs. They are a collection and amalgamation of priorly perceived thoughts and interactions based on my interaction with the world. They are not always accurate and they are not always rational and logical - which I feel is entirely human.

To better understand my emotions, I've felt it best to try and analyze them as I would a scientific endeavor - skeptically, critically, and with the most understanding as possible. Is there evidence for me to feel such a way? What assurance do I have that something is set up "this" way as opposed to "that" way? Why does this affect me? To what extent has it affected me? What is it about "this" that affects me but not "that?"

In my opinion, we humans often fail at trying to examine our emotions thoroughly enough. We act out of anger because we haven't quite gotten a grasp on why we're angry. We just know we're angry. We rarely take the time to analyze why it is we're angry and to what extent we really should be angry. The same goes for any variety of emotion. None of us are perfect but the closest I can come to being perfect (or at least what my own idea of perfection is) is to not act out of emotion but out of a careful and analytical process.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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WHat is the most important thing to you?

How do you define Love?

Have you ever experienced anything that your eyes did not see, ears did not hear, and tongue did not taste, hand did not feel, nose did not smell?
The most important thing to me is my family, my friends, and my dogs. The order of importance may change frequently according to my personal whims at the moment.

I define love the same way everyone else does.

I think I am very intuitive. But I think all of the senses work together to give your brain the data that expresses itself as intuition.

What else is there besides taste, touch, smell, hear, and sight?
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:09 PM
 
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Have you ever experienced anything that your eyes did not see, ears did not hear, and tongue did not taste, hand did not feel, nose did not smell?
I don't have hours to define what is most important to me, or what love is, but I am curious about the 3rd thing. Are you talking about experiencing something without using the 5 senses? When you say "hand did not feel" are you actually referring to all sense of touch, including feeling autonomous organs at work like the heart?

If so I agree with Sizzly Friddle:
"What else is there besides taste, touch, smell, hear, and sight?"
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Old 12-05-2009, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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The only thing besides what one's senses pick up is interpretation of them. For instance, if I see a very dark night sky in which the stars blaze and the Milky Way is a river of light, I feel a sense of awe at how splendid it is. Same way with terrific music. But beyond sensory inputs, it's all what one's brain makes of them and the associations made.
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Have you ever experienced anything that your eyes did not see, ears did not hear, and tongue did not taste, hand did not feel, nose did not smell?
Yes. Day dreams, dreams, hallucinations, and imaginings.
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Old 12-06-2009, 02:10 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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WHat is the most important thing to you?
The list changes, but truth comes pretty high. On one board, my sig. said 'the truth is important'.

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How do you define Love?
Rather misleadingly as 'an illusion'. Better explain. 'Love' is a scattergun word that covers everything from religious worship to patriotic zeal and from art appreciation to engendering progeny. From to piling onto pizza and ice cream to buying your kids presents. It is all called 'love' because the same feeling of positive emotion comes into play. It is an illusion to identify it as anything other than that positive emotion inspired by so many different things.

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Have you ever experienced anything that your eyes did not see, ears did not hear, and tongue did not taste, hand did not feel, nose did not smell?
That's a bit specific, as I have felt a lot of things with parts of my bod that wasn't my hand. However, I get the idea.

In a way, I could say no. Everything I have experienced has been through the senses and that, of course is all fed through the brain. The brain also (or so it seems) produces stuff that isn't conveyed from outside but that is conveyed to me in at least quasi -sense form.

So, that said, no. I have never experienced anything I could could rule out as my own senses or mind. I really can't imagine what I might experience that I could.
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:00 AM
 
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Do you know subatomic particles can not be seen with eyes, can not be tasted with tongue? Science still can discover them. Science is capable of discover many things like that.

Human brains work far beyond human senses.

"God did the universe" -- is this brain-enlightening? Religion is a brainwashing scheme, it breeds stupid people.
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:15 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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To me? Yes, true. Though your post apparently asked what one had personally experienced. It is a bit semantic to argue whether the results of what science can reasonably prove are perceived by me through my senses but I get the point. There are things shown by science that I could never have imagined. That's why the findings of science interest me.

Come to that the imaginings, speculations and feelings that people sometimes come up with are also interesting, but until science underpins those things with some evidence, 'interesting' is as far as we can go.
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Western Cary, NC
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WHat is the most important thing to you?

How do you define Love?

Have you ever experienced anything that your eyes did not see, ears did not hear, and tongue did not taste, hand did not feel, nose did not smell?
What is the most important thing to me? This is easy, family, freedom, knowledge, and the ability I accept as much responsibility for my actions as I can see.

Define love: Love is the acceptance that that person or those people I love are valued more than any other thing in my life, and that includes me. They fill the majority of my thoughts and without them I am only a fraction of the person I could be.

In my personal life the experience I can’t see taste, hear, would fall into my feeling toward my family. The "feel" part of that question is not applicable here as I do feel that connection. I understand this is genetic and evolution connected and we are programmed to protect our spouse, and offspring thus taking our genes to the next generation. Even with that knowledge I recognize it’s an invisible sense, and nothing we can weigh or even see, accept in the actions we take to help and protect them.

The things in my professional life which can be invisible to the senses are limited more to the limited knowledge levels we have rather than some mystic scenario. We do have the ability to understand chemical and atomic makeup, but can’t see the actual structure in the chemical make up, or couldn’t till this year when technology to the first steps to seeing atomic structure rather than just projection what we thought is look like.
We also can’t see things in space, black holes and time continues to be a curiosity to many of us. These provide fun topics to run scenario of how we see them through my mind, but as of yet humanity is not ready to see the science which will unlock the door to greater understanding.

That should cover the answers in a simplistic way.
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