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Old 01-22-2010, 10:38 PM
 
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I have been looking at the statistics, and in my view, the values which Atheist live by seem to relate to higher morality than the religious sector. Is it the Humanism aspect of being an Atheist which instills a higher set point for moral character. I see the Atheist moral value as being based on empathy and thus relating to other human feeling, providing a much broader base for morality than religion. A good example of the higher moral values is the per capita ratio of Atheist in prison when viewed against the religious, .2% as opposed to over 30% for non catholic christians, and close to the same for catholics. With data like this why are Atheist viewed as having low moral values?
Because they're busy living not preaching or being nosy!
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Old 01-24-2010, 08:46 AM
 
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I have been looking at the statistics, and in my view, the values which Atheist live by seem to relate to higher morality than the religious sector. Is it the Humanism aspect of being an Atheist which instills a higher set point for moral character. I see the Atheist moral value as being based on empathy and thus relating to other human feeling, providing a much broader base for morality than religion. A good example of the higher moral values is the per capita ratio of Atheist in prison when viewed against the religious, .2% as opposed to over 30% for non catholic christians, and close to the same for catholics. With data like this why are Atheist viewed as having low moral values?
Im afraid your stats dont conform to reason , since an atheist doesnt want to believe in ultimate moral accountability for the expressed purpose of maximized lifestyle freedom . Here are some more accurate stats on the issue : Are Atheists and Theists Morally Equivalent?

And, here is a site which gives specific answer to Atheist misconceptions and misinformation for your review . Regards. : http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...l#38kfQzRJoVQl

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Old 01-24-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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Im afraid your stats dont conform to reason , since an atheist doesnt want to believe in ultimate moral accountability for the expressed purpose of maximized lifestyle freedom . Here are some more accurate stats on the issue : Are Atheists and Theists Morally Equivalent?

And, here is a site which gives specific answer to Atheist misconceptions and misinformation for your review . Regards. : Answers for Atheists and Agnostics
The prison stats come from the Pew Report which I see as a non prejudice source, where your godandscience.org site give the impression of being less than objective in its view.
Religious individual seem to think you need accountability to be moral. This is a fallacy pushed by organized religion, which is being replaced by secular governments, and laws equally applied to all. Accountability for crimes (laws) are enforced today by these laws, not in your religions hell or any mythical burning sea after you are dead.
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Old 01-24-2010, 02:18 PM
 
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Im afraid your stats dont conform to reason , since an atheist doesnt want to believe in ultimate moral accountability for the expressed purpose of maximized lifestyle freedom . Here are some more accurate stats on the issue : Are Atheists and Theists Morally Equivalent?

And, here is a site which gives specific answer to Atheist misconceptions and misinformation for your review . Regards. : Answers for Atheists and Agnostics

Sorry but there's not a snowball's chance in hades you are going to get any accuracy on any level from a site with "godandscience" and/or "apologetics" in its url.


"Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant." -- H L Mencken

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Old 01-25-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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Default Why are Atheist moral values better than christian morals?

Counter question:

Why is freedom better than slavery?
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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I have been looking at the statistics, and in my view, the values which Atheist live by seem to relate to higher morality than the religious sector. Is it the Humanism aspect of being an Atheist which instills a higher set point for moral character. I see the Atheist moral value as being based on empathy and thus relating to other human feeling, providing a much broader base for morality than religion. A good example of the higher moral values is the per capita ratio of Atheist in prison when viewed against the religious, .2% as opposed to over 30% for non catholic christians, and close to the same for catholics. With data like this why are Atheist viewed as having low moral values?
(I haven't been following the thread so my comment is for the OP only)

IMO
Atheist aren't confined by a set of rules dictated to them by a supreme being thus giving way to a more accepted level of who they are. No inner battles, no judgments, and no damnation for proactive thoughts.
I would tent to believe that they, Atheist, are free thinkers where as someone who is bound by religious expectations could hold resentment towards their religion when the individual’s integrity gets out of balance.
Again, in my opinion;
Anything that restricts freethinking builds pressure and it’s only a matter of time before the “BOOM”.
But like I said, it’s just my opinion.
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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Counter question:

Why is freedom better than slavery?
I think the answer for both questions lay in one word, "RELATIVITY".
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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Why is freedom better than slavery?
Perhaps because people prefer to do what they want to do rather than what someone else tells them to do.
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Old 01-28-2010, 09:46 PM
 
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Statistics?!

Hehehehehehe.

I am embarassed by how little I know, but what I do know is how hard real proof and real science it. Social studies = real science? Hmmmm....

If you get a chance read Richard Feynman's belief on what can and can't be proven by science, what passes for science and what we truly know as a scientific culture. You might be surprised that we walk on very shaky scientific ground whenever we step outside applied physics.
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Old 01-28-2010, 09:50 PM
 
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I would ten(d) to believe that they, Atheist, are free thinkers where as someone who is bound by religious expectations could hold resentment towards their religion when the individual’s integrity gets out of balance.
I wasn't aware there were religious expectations to resent. I believe all relationships with God are personal and can not be discerned by any groups claim of cooperation, particularly with large groups. In fact, the larger the group the less cohesive their beliefs would seem to be.
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