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Hi,
One of my really close friends in LA is pro life and believes that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. He professes atheism. A few months ago I started a thread here asking if there were pro life atheists and if they received any flack for their stance, and some said that they did, while others said it wasn't an issue amongst their atheist friends. So, I was just wondering, is their any tension between socially and fiscally conservative atheists and more liberally minded ones? Just curious. Thanks
There can be a secular case made for opposing abortion, but unlike the religious opposition, most secular pro-lifers accept that abortion isn't going away so they support policies and programs to reduce it rather than ban it completely. In terms of same-sex marriage, I don't think the same case can be made because marriage itself is a religious sacrament. If you are non-religious, the definition of marriage shouldn't be important.
In terms of conflict, my guess is it would arise between people who are socially liberal but divided between fiscal conservative and liberal. A person cannot support today's Republican party without supporting a Christo-fascist agenda, which regardless of where you stand on issues like the economy and war, will be a huge barrier to secular minded people supporting Republicans.
When you mentioned a football coach praying at a high school football game... It's one of the closing scenes of that movie (it was back in the late 70s and the superintendent had him fired after the fact. Rudy/Sam from the lord of the rings started that aspect at that school. Based off the true story of a football player named Tony Nathan).
A person cannot support today's Republican party without supporting a Christo-fascist agenda, which regardless of where you stand on issues like the economy and war, will be a huge barrier to secular minded people supporting Republicans.
I agree with what you say except for this part.
I can be republican and make a case for laws that don't have "God" as the reason I think the law is good. I also can be republican and say I don't agree with everything "repubs" say.
What you are pointing out is the problem today. people think it's all or nothing (black and white). That type of person has issues, not us. I don't have to think like "They say" just because I tend to think agree more with them then I disagree with them. Its more normal to look at each law/policy and decide what's best for us all then it is to agree just because some literal fudymill atheist said so.
I feel capitalist, like myself, should be policing our kind way harder then we police idiot liberals. I would have hung Made-off with all our money in time square ... prime time. Far right capitalist are a big problem and it's time for us middle class capitalist to stand up to them. I call it 'capitalism with socialist limits". Meaning, we can't do what we want, any time we want, to make a buck. Which is different than "socialism with capitalist limits". But that's just me and most people can't even properly process that thought anyway. Hannity is a good example of this 386 processing factiods dope.
I can be republican and make a case for laws that don't have "God" as the reason I think the law is good. I also can be republican and say I don't agree with everything "repubs" say.
What you are pointing out is the problem today. people think it's all or nothing (black and white). That type of person has issues, not us. I don't have to think like "They say" just because I tend to think agree more with them then I disagree with them. Its more normal to look at each law/policy and decide what's best for us all then it is to agree just because some literal fudymill atheist said so.
I feel capitalist, like myself, should be policing our kind way harder then we police idiot liberals. I would have hung Made-off with all our money in time square ... prime time. Far right capitalist are a big problem and it's time for us middle class capitalist to stand up to them. I call it 'capitalism with socialist limits". Meaning, we can't do what we want, any time we want, to make a buck. Which is different than "socialism with capitalist limits". But that's just me and most people can't even properly process that thought anyway. Hannity is a good example of this 386 processing factiods dope.
Amen on the Hannity aspect... not him specifically but I'll use what he epitomizes is why I am independent and have no say in my state till after primaries are over. The independent candidates don't factor into primaries and, most independents, don't factor period. But I'd rather be that then be tied to either of the big 2 who don't represent, in my opinion, much except keeping term limits OFF the radar.
When you mentioned a football coach praying at a high school football game... It's one of the closing scenes of that movie (it was back in the late 70s and the superintendent had him fired after the fact. Rudy/Sam from the lord of the rings started that aspect at that school. Based off the true story of a football player named Tony Nathan).
I was thinking more of a recent news item I saw about a Bible Belt football coach getting into trouble in that way. Perhaps life imitating art.
Amen on the Hannity aspect... not him specifically but I'll use what he epitomizes is why I am independent and have no say in my state till after primaries are over. The independent candidates don't factor into primaries and, most independents, don't factor period. But I'd rather be that then be tied to either of the big 2 who don't represent, in my opinion, much except keeping term limits OFF the radar.
agreed. I'll ride that train.
Rightie tightie says I am not a true tightie.
Lady liberal says I am not a true lady.
I tell them both
"thank you."
Hi,
One of my really close friends in LA is pro life and believes that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. He professes atheism. A few months ago I started a thread here asking if there were pro life atheists and if they received any flack for their stance, and some said that they did, while others said it wasn't an issue amongst their atheist friends. So, I was just wondering, is their any tension between socially and fiscally conservative atheists and more liberally minded ones? Just curious. Thanks
I just don't think that there's a clearcut link between one's political views and one's conservative views. The most rabidly conservative pro-lifer I ever met was a rather vocal atheist.
Those people are in the minority and simply need to be ignored.
In theory, yes "Christo-fascists", tea party extremists, etc., are minorities with an outsized influence that have nevertheless found a way to control the Republican agenda. Who would have thought that Jeb Bush, the old-school mainstream Republican, even accounting for people just not wanting another Bush, would be polling in single digits? After raising $128 million (including super PACs)? And look where Trump is, on an expenditure of a relatively modest $5.8 million!
The Republican establishment has tried ignoring this "minority", slapping them down, outspending them ... maybe they are a minority but they sure walk, look and quack like a majority.
I have to agree, I can't see how a principled conservative can think the GOP represents them well anymore. You know something funky is going on when some people are trying to figure out whether to vote for Trump or Sanders. Very different ideologically but both appeal to a pressured middle class that has figured out they've been sold out by what the political process has become. Both boast of not taking a penny from super PACs.
At any rate ... to the point of this thread I don't think atheism really is terribly relevant to political ideology, it's far too narrow a belief position for the OP's question to have much meaning. Why would atheists argue either more or less among themselves about politics than any other group?
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