06-15-2010, 12:52 PM
Location: East Cobb
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neil0311
This is very true. Some companies and some industries may have a culture that allows you to walk in the door at 9am and out the door at 5pm. The high tech industry is not one of those , but I think you are focused too much on material things. It's not just material things that are facilitated by doing well in your career and getting to a certain level within an organization.
I agree with all the above but particularly want to stress the bolded part. I'm in the high-tech industry too, and although I have some good time flexibility (obviously) and some other decent benefits, I work a lot of extra hours. Our industry has become very bottom-line focused in recent years. I regret to say it, but senior management in my company wouldn't hesitate to reassign my job to an offshore outsource were I not a top producer. As the principal financial supporter of my family at present, frankly I see it as my responsibility to them to do what it takes to keep a roof over their head and food on the table, rather than knocking off at 5pm sharp every day to spend quality time with them. If I did that I'd risk becoming a candidate for one of the waves of layoffs we enjoy whenever the business takes a dip.
06-15-2010, 02:11 PM
Location: NW GA
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I think we have a miscommunication. When I said that some people put a higher value on other things I meant vacation time, benefits etc. as those other things as opposed to toys, ect.
06-15-2010, 02:37 PM
Location: Marietta, GA
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I think we have a miscommunication. When I said that some people put a higher value on other things I meant vacation time, benefits etc. as those other things as opposed to toys, ect.
Well, we can agree to disagree, and as long as you are content with the path you've chosen (as I am with mine), then all is well.
As a person with a family, benefits are very important to me. If you're single and feel you'll never be sick or injured, or if you believe that the gov't will take care of you and someone else will pay, then I guess you might not be concerned.
I guess if your job/career is just a means to make it through the month to pay the bills, then your point is valid. I think to many people like myself, it's about working hard to provide a higher standard of living and to make it possible to enjoy things in life...things like travel. Sounds like you're not much for vacations.
I love to travel and to see new places, and to enjoy them with my family. I took my then 11 year old son to Europe three years ago for a history tour of WWII battlefields. Two weeks of just the two of us....in England, France, Belgium. Other trips with my wife, daughters, and some with all of us. Memories to treasure for a lifetime.
Yes....it's work working a little harder than the rest. I just wish I could keep more of what I work so hard to earn.
06-15-2010, 02:55 PM
Location: NW GA
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Hmmmmm, my job provides excellent bennies, no need for government assistance here. What exactly does a liking or not liking of travel have to do with the discussion??? You know absolutely nothing about my standard of living, income or work ethic. Sounds like someone really does not know how to agree to disagree...
06-15-2010, 03:07 PM
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Not sure why discussion is getting personal. I am in the crowd that generally works about 40 hours a week but I am very aware that many work much more hours and if needed I would do the same (Its just turned out that the jobs I have held didn't demand it but I also am not a high earner in my field). As mentioned, in many fields that is the norm these days. Some positions are compensated for that extra time with a more generous vacation package and some are not. No need to put someone down because they work a lot of hours.
06-15-2010, 03:23 PM
Location: Marietta, GA
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clsmith15
Hmmmmm, my job provides excellent bennies, no need for government assistance here.
Never said there was, but you mentioned that benefits weren't something you don't place value on, and you implied that you didn't care about them. Benefits such as 401K matches, insurance, etc. are very important to me.
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clsmith15
What exactly does a liking or not liking of travel have to do with the discussion???
You are the one who said
"When I said that some people put a higher value on other things I meant vacation time, benefits etc." and you were saying how wrong folks were for putting value on these other things. I was bringing up travel as one form of vacation.
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clsmith15
You know absolutely nothing about my standard of living, income or work ethic. Sounds like someone really does not know how to agree to disagree.
I never commented on your personal or financial attributes and don't really care. Maybe you can work on that inablity to agree to disagree?
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clsmith15
I hope the vacations make up for all the extra hours spent at work.
5 weeks per year plus floating holidays helps quite a lot. I also enjoy the accomplishments I achieve at work, so working isn't a chore that I'm forced to do. I feel sorry for people who go to work and hate their jobs or can't wait to leave every day. While I prefer leisure time, I enjoy working too.
06-15-2010, 03:55 PM
Location: NW GA
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Neil, we obviously have an inability to accurately interpret each others' posts and I really have reached the limit of my forum time. I agree that it would be horrible to have a job that you hate and am glad that you get much satisfaction from your career accomplishments. Have a good night.
06-15-2010, 11:39 PM
Location: Stone Mountain, GA
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You get an hour for lunch?
06-16-2010, 08:12 AM
Location: Lake Worth, Fl
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claud605
Well I feel sorry for you OP because everyone is kind of attacking you. I AGREE WITH YOU. I think it is ridiculous that 1. 9 to 5 somehow morphed into 8 to 5 somewhere in the 80s I think, and 2. We here in America think it is NORMAL to work 10 and 11 hour days. I think this is a major reason why we are so messed up...work is #1 and look at what has happened to our society. It's only one reason but I think it is a significant one that is swept under the rug. Just my .02.
I completely disagree. Work being #1 is not the cause of what is happening in our society. It is the lack of wanting to work that is the issue. The sense of entitlement and wanting things easy is what has happened to our society. People want to win the lottery, get bailouts anything but work. Everyone wants to be like the Europeans, one month vacation everything paid for. I would love those things but if you glance at the news those days are over for them and it is time to pay for it.
It is terrible that 10 and 11 hour days is the norm. I would look for another job if it that was a standard work week. I personally work a 40 hour work week but there are weeks I put in double that and do not get paid extra, just the nature of the job.
06-16-2010, 08:22 AM
Location: Marietta, GA
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I completely disagree. Work being #1 is not the cause of what is happening in our society. It is the lack of wanting to work that is the issue. The sense of entitlement and wanting things easy is what has happened to our society. People want to win the lottery, get bailouts anything but work. Everyone wants to be like the Europeans, one month vacation everything paid for. I would love those things but if you glance at the news those days are over for them and it is time to pay for it.
Absolutely. Since the Great Depression, the expansion of gov't and the sense of entitlement has grown by leaps and bounds. Instead of being thankful they have a job and are not starving, people now are pissed if they don't get all kinds of perks and comforts. Laziness and a sense of entitlement have definitely replaced hard work for some people.
As for wanting a month of vacation....I get more than that...and earn every day. I have no problem with negotiating your "deal" with your employer and getting what you want. My issue is people who take jobs with low pay or bad benefits, and then they ***** and moan about it.
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People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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