Beazer Homes (construction loan, houses, construction)

[dens]

Any information on this builder...on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being best, what would they be rated?

[LahdeeDahdee]

The Victoria is a gorgeous home. I simply love it but they are soooooo expensive. This particular plan starts in the $400's. Beazer is a track builder and one thing I don't like is that they begin building on the FOUNDATION about THREE DAYS after it''s poured. The foundation should be allowed to cure for AT LEAST 28 DAYS BEFORE BUILDING ON IT. If one is going to pay in the $400's for a home then one should seek out custom built homes. You are then able to have the home built the way that you want it and modify a plan to your desire.

Also with Beazer, the homes have lot premiums that can reach between $1,000 to $30,000 depending on a particular lot. This price is in addition to the base price of the home. Then when you go to the design center, expect to spend at least another $20,000 and a lot of times you are just forced to upgrade things.

[BobKovacs]

Originally Posted by LahdeeDahdee

The Victoria is a gorgeous home. I simply love it but they are soooooo expensive. This particular plan starts in the $400's. Beazer is a track builder and one thing I don't like is that they begin building on the FOUNDATION about THREE DAYS after it''s poured. The foundation should be allowed to cure for AT LEAST 28 DAYS BEFORE BUILDING ON IT. .

There's absolutely no reason to wait 28 days before building on a foundation. While it's true that concrete attains 100% of it's strength in 28 days, in 7 days it's typically at 75% strength, and even after a day or two, the concrete is more than strong enough to handle any loads that the construction process (and the finished house) will place on it.

You won't find builders of $5 million homes waiting 28 days to start framing- it's a complete waste of time, and time in the construction business (or any business, for that matter) is money. If you want to follow your logic, I should pour footings on July 1, and wait until August 1 to pour my foundation walls since I don't want to put any load on the concrete until it's cured. I should then wait until Sept 1 to backfill and pour the slab, and then wait until Oct 1 to start framing. Not bad- 3 months wasted, and three construction loan payments made, with no improvement in the strength or quality of the home.

Bob

[sweettea1]

Beazer has a reputation of being one of the more inexpensive builders in terms of quality. Also, there's been some sort of fraud investigation going on recently with them. I'd be careful.

[LahdeeDahdee]

Originally Posted by BobKovacs

There's absolutely no reason to wait 28 days before building on a foundation. While it's true that concrete attains 100% of it's strength in 28 days, in 7 days it's typically at 75% strength, and even after a day or two, the concrete is more than strong enough to handle any loads that the construction process (and the finished house) will place on it.

You won't find builders of $5 million homes waiting 28 days to start framing- it's a complete waste of time, and time in the construction business (or any business, for that matter) is money. If you want to follow your logic, I should pour footings on July 1, and wait until August 1 to pour my foundation walls since I don't want to put any load on the concrete until it's cured. I should then wait until Sept 1 to backfill and pour the slab, and then wait until Oct 1 to start framing. Not bad- 3 months wasted, and three construction loan payments made, with no improvement in the strength or quality of the home.

Bob

Oh, okay...if you say so. I know an individual very well who pours foundations for a living. He told me that in about 7-10 years a lot of houses are going to have foundation problems because builders are building on them too fast. "You are supposed to wait at least 28 days before framing because the concrete has to have a certain amount of time to cure."


Bob, we can do a lot of things but just because we can do it doesn't mean that we should.

[BobKovacs]

Originally Posted by LahdeeDahdee

Oh, okay...if you say so. I know an individual very well who pours foundations for a living. He told me that in about 7-10 years a lot of houses are going to have foundation problems because builders are building on them too fast. "You are supposed to wait at least 28 days before framing because the concrete has to have a certain amount of time to cure."


Bob, we can do a lot of things but just because we can do it doesn't mean that we should.

Well, homes have been being built this way for years, and I don't see any massive failures from the homes that were built this way in the 90's. In fact, I can't think of any cases of such failures- if there were, I'm sure they would have made the headlines in one of the dozen or so construction trade publications I get.

And yes, there are tons of things that we maybe "should" do that we don't, and vice versa. In a lot of cases, it all comes down to cost and time. In the perfect world, we'd wait 28 days for every concrete pour to cure, we'd wait wait 3 months for all of the wood framing to completely dry out prior to closing in the house, we'd give the drywall mud a month to cure prior to paint, we'd leave flooring materials in the house for a month to acclimate to the indoor temperature/humidity, e'd run HVAC systems for two weeks to completely filter the air prior to occupancy, and we'd let the house sit for a year or so to allow any urea formaldehyde to off-gas out of the plywood and OSB. All of this "should" be done, but who would be willing to wait two years for their house to be complete, and spend an extra $50k for it?

Bob

[LahdeeDahdee]

Originally Posted by BobKovacs

Well, homes have been being built this way for years, and I don't see any massive failures from the homes that were built this way in the 90's. In fact, I can't think of any cases of such failures- if there were, I'm sure they would have made the headlines in one of the dozen or so construction trade publications I get.

And yes, there are tons of things that we maybe "should" do that we don't, and vice versa. In a lot of cases, it all comes down to cost and time. In the perfect world, we'd wait 28 days for every concrete pour to cure, we'd wait wait 3 months for all of the wood framing to completely dry out prior to closing in the house, we'd give the drywall mud a month to cure prior to paint, we'd leave flooring materials in the house for a month to acclimate to the indoor temperature/humidity, e'd run HVAC systems for two weeks to completely filter the air prior to occupancy, and we'd let the house sit for a year or so to allow any urea formaldehyde to off-gas out of the plywood and OSB. All of this "should" be done, but who would be willing to wait two years for their house to be complete, and spend an extra $50k for it?

Bob

Well, I gotta tell ya, my builder waits at least 28 days before building on the foundation. I watched him do it with my home and each and every other home that is being built in this subdivision so far. Thank God for Rick Swales of Casa Construction!

[BobKovacs]

Originally Posted by LahdeeDahdee

Well, I gotta tell ya, my builder waits at least 28 days before building on the foundation. I watched him do it with my home and each and every other home that is being built in this subdivision so far. Thank God for Rick Swales of Casa Construction!

Well it's good to hear that at least one builder out there is "doing the right thing" then. Good for you- now you'll never have to worry about those foundation problems that the rest of us will be dealing with in 10 years, and it only cost you an extra month's interest on your construction loan!

Bob

[Yeorwned]

Originally Posted by LahdeeDahdee

Well, I gotta tell ya, my builder waits at least 28 days before building on the foundation.

Let us know if a year from now, you have soil settling issues, as that would be quite ironic.

[bbuch]

I'd stay away from Beezer if I were you. Our first home was a Beezer home and my wife and I were not happy. Poor attention to detail and when we had a warranty claim, all they cared about was wiggling out of the responsibility.