Real world finally coming to Atlanta (Stone Mountain, Dallas: neighborhood, moving to, things to do)
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
DeaconJ, let me just handle a few of your points...
"But none of them are named "Taxi Driver"!!! By the way, that movie wasn't an instant hit...it took many years to become a classic. Some of the movies that have been mentioned as "failures" might be considered differently after a decade or so passes.
For someone to discount GWTW and/or Driving Miss Daisy is nothing short of film sacrilege, and is obviously just an attempt to discount Atlanta as a film setting. For shame!"
I wasn't denigrating DMD with the LOL. I was throwing it back at MikeandIke who threw one in there just to be a smarta$$. It's a decent move. I think it did a good job of showing mid-20th century Atlanta. It is the exception though.
GWTW is melodramatic crap in my opinion but it is considered a critical and commercial success. However, it was set in the 1860's. At least Taxi Driver is set in the 1970's. And guess what? It wasn't even shot anywhere near Atlanta.
I haven't seen Sharky's Machine and I'm wondering why I never got around to it. I watched a preview and it looked kind of gritty which is cool. But seriously? Someone had to dig deep for that one.
"What I'm trying to figure out is...why do you (and so many people for that matter) consider Atlanta a "black city" when it's population only 31% black? Atlanta is a great city for black culture and success, but it's still 59% white."
You have those stats backwards. Atlanta is known nationwide as a "Black Mecca."
"Of course we all know that some people consider movies that they don't like (or didn't see) "failures"...but most of us know that this is not reality. No logical person would consider those moves list above "failures" simply because of the profit margin."
Justin Bieber probably has already made 100's of times what J.S. Bach ever made.
Vincent Van Gogh never sold a painting when he was alive.
Profit margin don't mean s*&# when it comes to lasting cultural impact.
Every time someone seems to prove you wrong.. Some how you find time to discredit everything someone says are everytime someone says something nice are educational or positive about Atlanta you discredit that too.. Im beginning think Your so called love/hate relationship you have for Atlanta is turning into more of a Hate relationship.
DeaconJ:
You cherry pick well grasshopper. I believe i've been pretty consistent. I WAS discussing cultural significance and have been the entire time. That was my ENTIRE POINT. I was also discussing movies and shows FILMED IN ATLANTA(Atlanta proper or Itp, not the metro)
I don't want you to agree with my opinions but I'm not gonna sit back and let smarta$$ comments and unrelated facts distort my argument. In fact I feel a bit smug and superior that people are using clips of video games and cartoons against me in their arguments.
You can always count on the 'clique" to get all offended and find an "insult' to their precious Atlanta when there isn't one.
Every time someone seems to prove you wrong.. Some how you find time to discredit everything someone says are everytime someone says something nice are educational or positive about Atlanta you discredit that too.. Im beginning think Your so called love/hate relationship you have for Atlanta is turning into more of a Hate relationship.
It's called an argument. Someone presents ideas and reasoning and then someone counters it. You just whine about it and make little smart comments. Just because I'm critical about something doesn't mean I hate it. I just think a lot of people are complacent in this city. I happen to like a lot of things about Atlanta but I'm not afraid to voice my opinions about things that aren't up to par in my opinion.
This has no bearing positive or negative on Atlanta anyway. Just because a city hasn't been strongly established on film doesn't make it bad.
DeaconJ:
You cherry pick well grasshopper. I believe i've been pretty consistent. I WAS discussing cultural significance and have been the entire time. That was my ENTIRE POINT. I was also discussing movies and shows FILMED IN ATLANTA(Atlanta proper or Itp, not the metro)
I don't want you to agree with my opinions but I'm not gonna sit back and let smarta$$ comments and unrelated facts distort my argument. In fact I feel a bit smug and superior that people are using clips of video games and cartoons against me in their arguments.
You can always count on the 'clique" to get all offended and find an "insult' to their precious Atlanta when there isn't one.
Well, I'm fairly sure that mine wasn't a reply to you, but to another post that specifically pointed to these movies as "failures"...and if you consider every movie that isn't culturally significant a failure, than you must not have as much film knowledge as you claim. Success can be found in several categories - and I'm sure that profit margin is one of those.
It's not that (at least this time) you're insulting Atlanta, but your posts in this thread are very condescending in reference to films. THAT'S what I assume people find offensive. I could care less what you think of Atlanta because the majority of people move here and stay...which leads to the conclusion that the majority of people like it. I know that doesn't sit well with some because it creates an envious position comparatively, but that can't be helped. The popular choices usually end up in that position.
Why you insist that an Atlanta clique exists on city-data is beyond me. If it does exsist then I'm not aware of it...but that idea is consistent with your other claims.
I "would had" replied if you "could had" properly communicated your request.
In order for you to know that I "requested" something from you, then you got to know what I communicated, but your being a**. Again you don't have the logic to explain. Other wise you would had done it instead of making a cute come back.. So again it's ok.
My bad if i offended anyone with my post i was just making my opinionated post on the subject i saw as a hot button subject here at the time, it wasn't driven for attacks or to slam ATL, i was just saying the location doesn't appeal to MTV, and there aren't enough good venue's in close proximity to decent looking residences without paying out an arm and a leg to get to, yes there is editing, there also is a thing called "Film Production budget" when MTV or any network budget for these types of things especially cheap reality tv productions that rack in millions in return the last thing they want to do is drag production crews for unnecessary miles across town every time the roommates want to do something fun..
It is what it is, on top of it all, ATL is basically a regular cookie cut college transient college town, nothing anyone can say will change that, go around and take a poll and ask everybody where they are from, guarantee the majority will say from somewhere else and the majority are there for college or was relocated from their job, Atlanta had Cheap housing and it was cheap for industries and commercial companies to move there at one point, it's gotten pricey now so as soon as leases expire i can't see it looking the same as it does now..
I hope im wrong though because Atlanta like Houston and New Orleans is predominately black cities, im black and i hope the best for all black cities and would not want what is going on in Detroit to happen to either one, Detroit was a monster of a city at one point and predominately black and it fell to hell, we can say it was once what Atlanta and Houston is trying to be now with Houston being the more successful of em all.
The movies i saw someone posted that were made in Atlanta is kind of a bad example and i wouldn't have even posted em actually, a couple of the Tyler perry films were ok but just dry and cliche' successful though thanks to the black church communities support but looks like he's trying to leave that style that made him successful..
Lottery Ticket? lol fail.
Barbershop? fail.
ATL? LOL!! fail.
Stomp the Yard. fail
Drumline. Fail
The Players club. fail.
These movies all got low ratings and were disappointing box office drops
The MTV shows that were posted that mentioned ATL in them or some of their artist were shared with various other cities, that happens on every show MTV does. ATL gets in because it's music scene came around 2005 and it was consistent until 2009.
Im surprised you didn't mention CNN has a satellite headquarter in Atlanta though, where sometimes give fly by shots of the city, as well as TNT being headquartered out there that host the NBA sometmes, Cartoon Network as well which is owned by TBS which is headquartered in ATL or within that area.
I do see what you mean though, ATL isn't forgotten in the spot light in media but those movies are just "as Charles Barkley would say" Turrible.. lol..
I would have at least put:
The Blind side (which won awards)
Zombieland
The Vampire Diaries
Remember the titans
Those are good movies, not really big productions like The Green Lantern, Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Deja Vu, but decent to good movies yes.
Another poster said this regarding something else but it work well in this conversation If someone doesn’t shop at Wal-Mart it doesn’t mean Wal-Mart isn’t a large company. Ok Atlanta is know for urban culture umm OK? does this mean the city has no culture if you don’t care about urban culture? ) Atlanta is a majority city regarding entertainment but your wanting to discount it base on your not liking what it is oh boy. I like how you know Atlanta is guarded as the black Mecca meaning the city gets hell of a lot of attention by blacks. Then throw this out the window and say “ATL is basically a regular cookie cut college transient college town, nothing anyone can say will change that” there's something contradictory about that. ) So how much is a black person worth 3/5 of a white person?
Because of that I'm going to first start on black culture. BET is a multi billion dollar enterprise and they chose to give not one but two multi dollars Award shows to the city. BET also invest numerous shows in the city. Now Tyler, you may not like Tyler Perry but Tyler Perry is successful He has 5 1st place opening, 3 2nd place opening, and 1 5th place opening in the box office. And all of his films are whole or partly shoot in Atlanta. And he has 2 running sitcom that are Atlanta based. And Atlanta has some
Then I actually did list shows that MTV invest in Atlanta. Philly, DC, SF, NO, Philly and Austin, all had real worlds but MTV actually invest way more time in Atlanta than those cities, NY LA, Miami and Atlanta are the top cities they invest the most in. This is why I said the real world thing doesn’t matter, Atlanta has more attention from MTV then the bulk of cities that had it.
LMAO a significant amount of Hiphop and R&B videos are shot in Atlanta even by non Atlanta artists, means a significant amount of videos that the MTV networks air are shot in Atlanta. Hiphop actually out sales rock and country, there used to be MTVX they now replace that with MTV Jams because of this reason the rating are highier.
Now that i'm looking at your post you said "I hope im wrong though because Atlanta like Houston and New Orleans is predominately black cities, im black and i hope the best for all black cities and would not want what is going on in Detroit to happen to either one, Detroit was a monster of a city at one point and predominately black and it fell to hell,".............. Ummmm, why did you state this? 1. Houston isn't predominately Black, 2. Most of Metro Atlanta is white, 3. What does blacks in point A have to do with blacks in point B? 4. These cities fell because there economy isn’t diverse. But thanks for giving part of your view and your hasty generalization, you lost all credibility now.
DeaconJ:
You cherry pick well grasshopper. I believe i've been pretty consistent. I WAS discussing cultural significance and have been the entire time. That was my ENTIRE POINT. I was also discussing movies and shows FILMED IN ATLANTA(Atlanta proper or Itp, not the metro)
I don't want you to agree with my opinions but I'm not gonna sit back and let smarta$$ comments and unrelated facts distort my argument. In fact I feel a bit smug and superior that people are using clips of video games and cartoons against me in their arguments.
You can always count on the 'clique" to get all offended and find an "insult' to their precious Atlanta when there isn't one.
1. The stuff I posted was film in Atlanta the city
2. Your taking about opinions I'm talking about facts.
3. I did post stuff that are cultural significant you disregard it because a lot of it was urban as if that meant something. Again if someone doesn’t shop at Wal-Mart it doesn’t mean Wal-Mart isn’t a large company. I posted 2 multi million dollar awards shows that air on TV and you come back said it’s urban it doesn’t count WTF.
4. Because that cartoon and that video game stage was set in Atlanta. you said "Has anyone seen a movie or tv show set in Atlanta where the city really stands out?" I went beyond that. I posted stuff that's a replica to be Atlanta. It was done purely because of Atlanta character.
5. Actually I didn’t get offended because you said something about Atlanta. I’m was posting facts, links and etc and your ration was with your emotions. However what I did kind of get offended on was you made race a issue, because a lot it was black it just doesn’t count. huh?
1. The stuff I posted was film in Atlanta the city
2. Your taking about opinions I'm talking about facts.
3. I did post stuff that are cultural significant you disregard it because a lot of it was urban as if that meant something. Again if someone doesn’t shop at Wal-Mart it doesn’t mean Wal-Mart isn’t a large company. I posted 2 multi million dollar awards shows that air on TV and you come back said it’s urban it doesn’t count WTF.
4. Because that cartoon and that video game stage was set in Atlanta. you said "Has anyone seen a movie or tv show set in Atlanta where the city really stands out?" I went beyond that. I posted stuff that's a replica to be Atlanta. It was done purely because of Atlanta character.
5. Actually I didn’t get offended because you said something about Atlanta. I’m was posting facts, links and etc and your ration was with your emotions. However what I did kind of get offended on was you made race a issue, because a lot it was black it just doesn’t count. huh?
Race and demographics aren't necessarily the same thing. If you want to jump the gun and say that I discounted all of those movies just because they happen to be produced by and star black people then go right ahead. I doubt I can convince you race really has nothing to do with it if you are so quick to throw out words like "segregation."
Urban is a pretty specific demographic that happens to be majority black. I never discounted the fact that Atlanta has a huge presence in the urban scene and I think that's really cool. However, that is just one segment of the overall entertainment market and it's make up is pretty narrow when it comes down to it. Middle-aged suburban Asians, Hispanics, or even young whites are not included in that demographic.
I've simply been saying that Atlanta has not really been captured on film or television in a way that a handful of other cities have. I honestly don't know how it could be established in that way because it really doesn't have a Golden Gate Bridge or Empire State Building or any iconic landmark(maybe Stone Mountain could be) that people across the country or world instantly recognize.
I discounted a lot of those examples you presented because I don't think a lot of them really emphasize the fact that they are in Atlanta like the above examples emphasize the cities in which the story takes place. Most of them could be shot in any number of places. Award shows aren't relevant no matter what demographic they are aimed at. They are held in auditoriums, not on the streets and neighborhoods of a city.
I'm looking for an iconic Atlanta film or tv show that emphasizes the fact that it's in Atlanta and is targeted to a broad demographic. I don't know if that exists yet. I'm not saying it can't be done.
Race and demographics aren't necessarily the same thing. If you want to jump the gun and say that I discounted all of those movies just because they happen to be produced by and star black people then go right ahead. I doubt I can convince you race really has nothing to do with it if you are so quick to throw out words like "segregation."
Urban is a pretty specific demographic that happens to be majority black. I never discounted the fact that Atlanta has a huge presence in the urban scene and I think that's really cool. However, that is just one segment of the overall entertainment market and it's make up is pretty narrow when it comes down to it. Middle-aged suburban Asians, Hispanics, or even young whites are not included in that demographic.
I've simply been saying that Atlanta has not really been captured on film or television in a way that a handful of other cities have. I honestly don't know how it could be established in that way because it really doesn't have a Golden Gate Bridge or Empire State Building or any iconic landmark(maybe Stone Mountain could be) that people across the country or world instantly recognize.
I discounted a lot of those examples you presented because I don't think a lot of them really emphasize the fact that they are in Atlanta like the above examples emphasize the cities in which the story takes place. Most of them could be shot in any number of places. Award shows aren't relevant no matter what demographic they are aimed at. They are held in auditoriums, not on the streets and neighborhoods of a city.
I'm looking for an iconic Atlanta film or tv show that emphasizes the fact that it's in Atlanta and is targeted to a broad demographic. I don't know if that exists yet. I'm not saying it can't be done.
To be Honest Alot of The Things that Bravo, VH1 and B.E.T have done does show some Atlanta nieghborhoods and sites
Race and demographics aren't necessarily the same thing. If you want to jump the gun and say that I discounted all of those movies just because they happen to be produced by and star black people then go right ahead. I doubt I can convince you race really has nothing to do with it if you are so quick to throw out words like "segregation."
Urban is a pretty specific demographic that happens to be majority black. I never discounted the fact that Atlanta has a huge presence in the urban scene and I think that's really cool. However, that is just one segment of the overall entertainment market and it's make up is pretty narrow when it comes down to it. Middle-aged suburban Asians, Hispanics, or even young whites are not included in that demographic.
I've simply been saying that Atlanta has not really been captured on film or television in a way that a handful of other cities have. I honestly don't know how it could be established in that way because it really doesn't have a Golden Gate Bridge or Empire State Building or any iconic landmark(maybe Stone Mountain could be) that people across the country or world instantly recognize.
I discounted a lot of those examples you presented because I don't think a lot of them really emphasize the fact that they are in Atlanta like the above examples emphasize the cities in which the story takes place. Most of them could be shot in any number of places. Award shows aren't relevant no matter what demographic they are aimed at. They are held in auditoriums, not on the streets and neighborhoods of a city.
I'm looking for an iconic Atlanta film or tv show that emphasizes the fact that it's in Atlanta and is targeted to a broad demographic. I don't know if that exists yet. I'm not saying it can't be done.
This is exactly what im talking about, you and i are on the same page, other people here continuously are posting what has been filmed in Atlanta, the point is, anything filmed in Atlanta can be filmed in any cookie cut city like Jacksonville, Dallas, Toronto, Mobile and no one will notice much difference if people don't know the exact skyline and buildings in those cities, there's nothing original/unique about any of those cities, you can take everything in Atlanta and throw in Jacksonville, Fl and no one will ever know the difference, you can take anything that has ever been filmed in Atlanta and throw it in Mobile, Al and people will like it just as much, There's nothing that would attract anybody to film there but maybe the fact the city has a few rappers on the radio station and a lot vast empty space to film in and not be too disturbed.
In fact the only reason so much is being suddenly filmed in Atlanta is because Atlanta copied Louisiana's Film Tax credit it crafted and so did other cities, despite that more films are still being filmed in Detroit and New Orleans than any other city in the US right now, it's because directors like cities with a face, not many faceless cities get to have big budget films.
Maybe if more films were filmed by the Coke museum? maybe that might help Atlanta get more of a recognizable face, it's all i can see that would say, HEY! LOOK, THIS IS IN ATLANTA!
I've been to Atlanta a lot and i really don't see the draw there, there's lots of opportunity especially blacks there, more before the economy crash, More people are moving from Atlanta to Houston, Tx now for bluer sky's in their life now that the economy is trash.
Again, nothing wrong filming shows in Atlanta, MTV most likely go there because they want the "black urban" crowd and no other city is as black and full of entertainers than Atlanta right now, Houston had that crown before and New Orleans had it now Atlanta does, it'll go back up north soon and MTV will end up there. not a big deal.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $53,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
By the way, that movie wasn't an instant hit...it took many years to become a classic. Some of the movies that have been mentioned as "failures" might be considered differently after a decade or so passes.
) Atlanta is a majority city regarding entertainment but your wanting to discount it base on your not liking what it is oh boy. I like how you know Atlanta is guarded as the black Mecca meaning the city gets hell of a lot of attention by blacks. Then throw this out the window and say “ATL is basically a regular cookie cut college transient college town, nothing anyone can say will change that” there's something contradictory about that. 
) So how much is a black person worth 3/5 of a white person? 
