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Old 11-09-2010, 12:31 PM
 
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I agree, but I'd add that the economy is as bad as it has been in 70 years. No matter who was President, they'd get blamed for it. The collapse of the economy in 2008 was what really put the final nail in the McCain campaign. No way a Republican could get elected President that year.

You also have to factor in that probably half the Congressional seats the Dems won in 2006 and especially in 2008 were traditionally Republican districts. Many voters were turned off by the Iraq war and the rapidly weakening economy. So the fact that the returned to Republican hands is hardly surprising.
Totally agree and I will add that I just dont see Obama turning anything around in the next two years. No way he is re-elected in 2012. I said it before and I will say it again. He is just out of touch with what the majority of Americans want.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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Obama is out of touch with what Americans want. Focusing on Healthcare reform instead of the economy and jobs is why the Republicans just won a resounding victory. Republicans were elected because people were fed up with Obama and the Dem's NOT listening to the will of the people. Thats as simple as it gets. When you go against the majority of Americans on Healthcare reform, the AZ Immigration law and the Ground Zero Mosque you are OUT OF TOUCH and the voters showed that overwhelmingly last Tuesday.

Obama ran on the stimulus and healthcare. Those were the main planks of his whole campaign, which got him elected. Every year more and more Americans were losing health insurance (over 50 million as of a few months ago).
Women were denied health care because they were raped.
Rape Victim's Choice: Risk AIDS or Health Insurance? | The Huffington Post Investigative Fund (http://huffpostfund.org/stories/2009/10/rape-victims-choice-risk-aids-or-health-insurance - broken link)
Women were charged more even when they were lower insurance risks
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/health/30women.html
And medical bills were at least partly responsible for the MAJORITY of bankruptcies.
Medical Bills Cause Most Bankruptcies - NYTimes.com

You're elected president on a health care reform platform, and all of these facts confront you, and you don't do anything about health care?

As for the AZ immigration law, it was created and pushed for by the prison industry in Arizona, who stand to profit heavily from it.
Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law : NPR

It was passed by scaring Arizonans into thinking that immigrants are making their state unsafe, and overrunning it, even though AZ is only sixth on the list of 'most illegal immigrants' and, in fact, has become SAFER AND SAFER as the years have gone by.

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According to the FBI, the four large U.S. cities (with populations of at least 500,000) with the lowest violent crime rates — San Diego, Phoenix and the Texas cities of El Paso and Austin — are all in border states. "The border is safer now than it's ever been," U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Lloyd Easterling told the Associated Press last month. Even Larry Dever, the sheriff of Arizona's Cochise County, where the murder last March of a local rancher, believed to have been committed by an illegal immigrant, sparked calls for the law, conceded to the Arizona Republic recently that "we're not seeing the [violent crime] that's going on on the other side."

Read more: Immigration Debate: Border Cities See Less Violent Crime - TIME




I guess if Obama was getting a check from the private prison industry, was more easily convinced by the lies told by politicians on the prison industry's payroll to scare the population into approving of it, and didn't care about individuals' rights, he would be much more in favor of it too. Really, the big shame about Healthcare is that he couldn't get the insurance industry to set up a big slush fund for politicians in favor of it like the Arizona prison industry did... it would've been the most popular legislation ever passed.


No, the Democrats lost for the exact same reason I said they did. Because people aren't paying attention, but instead play right into the hands of the people trying to line their pockets at their expense. Nathan Deal is an excellent example.... how many tens of thousands did he and those around him milk out of his campaign into their own pockets? People who run on an anti-muslim-obama campaign and have no viable solutions of their own.
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Old 11-09-2010, 03:03 PM
 
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Obama ran on the stimulus and healthcare. Those were the main planks of his whole campaign, which got him elected. Every year more and more Americans were losing health insurance (over 50 million as of a few months ago).
Women were denied health care because they were raped.
Rape Victim's Choice: Risk AIDS or Health Insurance? | The Huffington Post Investigative Fund (http://huffpostfund.org/stories/2009/10/rape-victims-choice-risk-aids-or-health-insurance - broken link)
Women were charged more even when they were lower insurance risks
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/health/30women.html
And medical bills were at least partly responsible for the MAJORITY of bankruptcies.
Medical Bills Cause Most Bankruptcies - NYTimes.com

You're elected president on a health care reform platform, and all of these facts confront you, and you don't do anything about health care?

As for the AZ immigration law, it was created and pushed for by the prison industry in Arizona, who stand to profit heavily from it.
Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law : NPR

It was passed by scaring Arizonans into thinking that immigrants are making their state unsafe, and overrunning it, even though AZ is only sixth on the list of 'most illegal immigrants' and, in fact, has become SAFER AND SAFER as the years have gone by.


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I guess if Obama was getting a check from the private prison industry, was more easily convinced by the lies told by politicians on the prison industry's payroll to scare the population into approving of it, and didn't care about individuals' rights, he would be much more in favor of it too. Really, the big shame about Healthcare is that he couldn't get the insurance industry to set up a big slush fund for politicians in favor of it like the Arizona prison industry did... it would've been the most popular legislation ever passed.


No, the Democrats lost for the exact same reason I said they did. Because people aren't paying attention, but instead play right into the hands of the people trying to line their pockets at their expense. Nathan Deal is an excellent example.... how many tens of thousands did he and those around him milk out of his campaign into their own pockets? People who run on an anti-muslim-obama campaign and have no viable solutions of their own.
You failed to address the main point of my statement in that the majority of Americans were against healthcare reform, AZ immigration law and the ground zero mosque. Poll after poll backs this up and no amount of spin will change that. Obama is out of touch and supports highly unpopular policies.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:56 PM
 
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You failed to address the main point of my statement in that the majority of Americans were against healthcare reform, AZ immigration law and the ground zero mosque. Poll after poll backs this up and no amount of spin will change that. Obama is out of touch and supports highly unpopular policies.
No, you're not completely right here. It is correct that polling has shown majorities in many states favoring the AZ immigration law, and national polling showing voters were largely against the ground zero mosque. (Of course, when such polls instead say "NYC Muslim community center down the street from ground zero"--a more accurate statement--you get much more favorable responses.)

But that's not even the main point.

Most polls showed that Americans were in favor of health care reform; it's that a slim majority weren't in favor of the specific reform passed by Congress this past year. In particular, conservatives hated it (obviously), but many liberals and some independents were against it because it didn't do enough to reform health care (including, for example, providing a public option to compete with private insurance).

Even the exit polls from last Tuesday, which had a more conservative demographic than the general electorate, were split down the middle on health care. 49% of voters wanted to repeal it, and 48% wanted it unchanged. Statistically, that's not even a majority favoring repeal, and that's coming from a conservative leaning crowd.

The truth is that the electorate is pretty split on a number of issues presently. So I don't think one can claim at all that a majority of Americans are against health care reform.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:09 PM
 
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You failed to address the main point of my statement in that the majority of Americans were against healthcare reform, AZ immigration law and the ground zero mosque. Poll after poll backs this up and no amount of spin will change that. Obama is out of touch and supports highly unpopular policies.
You say poll after poll will back this up, where are the people that were polled because I sure wasn't one of them, as a matter of fact I don't know anyone that was polled, so please enlighten me as to where they are, for all we know the media could be throwing blind numbers into the wind.
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