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Old 06-12-2011, 09:38 PM
 
Location: ATL
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Another condo for Midtown!

Novare apartment project

Target start date of October 2011



Construction of a new high‐rise residential building located at the NW corner of West Peachtree and 12th Street. The project includes storefront retail on the ground floor of the 23‐story building and 320 residential units above. Parking for approximately 516 cars will be provided in an adjacent 6‐level parking garage.



http://midtownatlanta.org/Files/Midt...s5-09-2011.pdf

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Old 06-12-2011, 10:03 PM
 
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Wow! What's with all of these announcements all of a sudden? Midtown is certainly going to turn into Atlanta's live/work/play part of town!

I gotta say though, I am not a fan of that parking garage. That garage will be taking up so much space that another mid-rise building could've gone there in its place. I am glad that they didn't completely ignore the pedestrians though by including street level retail on the ground floor of the garage.
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:14 AM
 
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Wow! What's with all of these announcements all of a sudden? Midtown is certainly going to turn into Atlanta's live/work/play part of town!

I gotta say though, I am not a fan of that parking garage. That garage will be taking up so much space that another mid-rise building could've gone there in its place. I am glad that they didn't completely ignore the pedestrians though by including street level retail on the ground floor of the garage.
Midtown has strict requirements to include a certain number of parking spots per unit. You can build them underground or under the building, but this is gonna cost a good bit more than just building a cheaper structure adjacent to the building.

I, for one, wish that apartments/condos could be built next to existing office garages, or that offices could be built next to condo garages and share parking. The peak use times between the two garages are pretty much opposite.

Also, now that most of the nearby residential areas have controlled parking, we need to rethink the parking requirement altogether. Green building and LEED calls for developers to provide as LITTLE parking as possible.
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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Any idea if this has financing? I'm very skeptical... (Hope I'm wrong to be so!)
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Midtown Atlanta
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I think that current parking requirements in Atlanta are ridiculous, but this project wouldn't be going forward without a deck. Perhaps when the rest of the block is developed they can work out a deal to share. Although knowing the crime that happens in apartment parking areas, I doubt it.
I'm glad to see the area west of Peachtree filling up. It really makes the most sense for urban, dense development, and there are so many choice lots.
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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I think that current parking requirements in Atlanta are ridiculous, but this project wouldn't be going forward without a deck. Perhaps when the rest of the block is developed they can work out a deal to share. Although knowing the crime that happens in apartment parking areas, I doubt it.
Yeah, there are challenges, but there are also costs: roughly $12,000 per vehicle bay and counting, plus ~5% maintenance annually. That can buy a whole lot of security.

I'm mainly just challenging the idea that parking in this city should be an all-you-can-eat buffet. In some cities, they limit the amount of parking you're allowed to have. Developers might still build the same garages, but at least we could rightly scoff at them for doing so if it weren't a zoning requirement.
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Midtown Atlanta
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Yeah, there are challenges, but there are also costs: roughly $12,000 per vehicle bay and counting, plus ~5% maintenance annually. That can buy a whole lot of security.

I'm mainly just challenging the idea that parking in this city should be an all-you-can-eat buffet. In some cities, they limit the amount of parking you're allowed to have. Developers might still build the same garages, but at least we could rightly scoff at them for doing so if it weren't a zoning requirement.
No doubt we are spoiled with parking in Atlanta. Every plot of land taken up by parking decks is a lost opportunity for density. I really wish we did more underground parking here.
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: New York City Area
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No doubt we are spoiled with parking in Atlanta. Every plot of land taken up by parking decks is a lost opportunity for density. I really wish we did more underground parking here.
I agree, spoiled rotten...lol. I don't understand why the deck isn't just incorporated into the base of the building like they've been doing. It just seems like a step backwards to me and a big waste of space. Isn't this supposed to be close to a Marta station, as well? At least there's retail included in the deck, although the retail doesn't go along the Spring Street side....
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:13 AM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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Ugh, fricking Novare and their ridiculous looking parking garages.

It doesn't look to be a complete wash though. In the renderings it appears that there will be ground level retail incorporated into the parking deck.
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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I agree, spoiled rotten...lol. I don't understand why the deck isn't just incorporated into the base of the building like they've been doing. It just seems like a step backwards to me and a big waste of space. Isn't this supposed to be close to a Marta station, as well? At least there's retail included in the deck, although the retail doesn't go along the Spring Street side....
These are developers, not charities, and they are going to get their projects done in the most cost effective way possible to meet their customer's demands. Detached parking just happens to be a lot cheaper than integrating it into the structure of the building, although it takes more land. I really wish we could get creative to limit these things.

Another issue to me is what to do about these one way streets that aren't very appealing places for retailers and restaurants to set up shop--I assume that's why no retail was incorporated on Spring. Here's the type of change I'm talking about: I notice the particular stretch of West Peachtree this project is on is 5 lanes, but the area just before it is only four lanes with a bike lane. Why not just narrow the whole thing out to four lanes and get that additional 12' in sidewalk, landscape, and bike lane space? Walking down WPT can be uncomfortable and cold due to the cars passing by sometimes as fast as 50 mph. It's SO much more comfortable to walk down a street when there are trees between you and the cars--the more trees the better.

Fortunately, this project will widen the sidewalks (into the developer's land) dramatically and install trees. That will be nice, but I still think that having 5 lanes going the same way encourages people to drive like jackasses and makes it pedestrian unfriendly.

Of course, you could make these streets 2-way, but there are major difficulties to that, too.
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