06-23-2008, 08:16 AM
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I need some help/opinions about buying into the Chamblee or Brookhaven area.
I am torn between two new townhome locations:
1) Turnbury Gates by View Point Homes in Chamblee and
2) The Views at Lenox Crossing by Pulte Homes in Brookhaven.
They are only 4 miles from eachother. Turnbury is further from Lenox Mall and Phipps Plaza than The Views at Lenox.
I met the developer yesterday at Turnbury who told me that when I visit the Views At Lenox Crossing I should "lock my doors" because it's near two of the crappiest apt complexes around. He said his place was better because the resale is better since it backs up to the most prestigious golf course around (Peachtree Golf Course?). Turnbury is behind the Lowe's on Peachtree Rd which I didn't think was the best location IMHO.
I did notice and appreciate that Turnbury (not being a cookie cutter type of builder) uses better materials and is better quality...looks more high end. The stove and oven look more custom built in and the tile in the kitchen higher end. Plus the cabinets look better too. They use nicer looking tiles etc..
But, I was kind of turned off by his comments and his persistence about "Turnbury Gates" being better and so on.
Turnbury will offer me a unit of 1800 sq ft for $320K plus pay my closing costs.
The Pulte location View at Lenox which is 3.5 miles closer to Lenox mall and Phipps Plaza will offer me a 1750 sq ft unit for $300K plus pay my closing costs.
My dilemma is:
1) The developer told me that on Johnson Ferry Rd they are clearing out a site to build stores and restaurants now. I saw the site being cleared but what is going up there? Cool restaurants to hang out at or Target type chain stores?
2) Is being 3.5 miles closer to Lenox Mall at the Brookhaven location (View At Lenox Crossing by Pulte homes) "better"...... in terms of resale even though the quality of the townhome is not as high end as the Turnbury Gates location?
3) Not sure what the better buy here is? Pulte is a great builder, but is chosing View Point homes worth it being 3.5 miles further away from the hot spots?
4) And is that location behind the Lowe's a turn off for resale?
SO distressed over this!! Please help.
Thank you all in advance
06-23-2008, 09:08 AM
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I know exactly where The Views at Lenox Crossing is, but I am not sure about Turnbury Gates. I know the Lowe's on Peachtree/Peachtree Industrial so I can imagine the location, but I do not know the exact location. Anyway, I personally do not think that being 3.5 miles closer to Lenox/Phipps is a huge deal, BUT what I do think that the Pulte development offers is much better access to both 400 and I-85. Turnbury Gates will pretty much limit you to 285 access, which is one of the most congestated interstates in Atlanta (especially in the Ashford Dunwoody area). However, Lenox Crossing puts both 85 and 400 less than 5 minutes from your front door.... this is a huge advantage when considering the commute to your job. For me, that makes the Pulte development much more desirable!
As for which is the better location for resale, I have no idea. A point to consider about being so close to a Lowe's - the noise from receiving shipments at night. Since I do not know exactly where Turnbury Gates is, I have no idea if this would be an issue. Maybe you could talk to some of the residents who currently live there. The one thing that Turnbury Gates would offer you is better access to Perimeter Mall.
On a final note, the fact that the developer is really putting down a competitor would concern me. If he knew his product was that much better, he would know that would become obvious to you after visiting both places. The fact that he needs to harp on that point would concern me that he is hiding something. Just my two cents! Good luck!
PS - The new Sembler project is about halfway between these two developments. It will be at the corner of Peachtree and (road name esacping me).... right next to Ogelthorpe University. It is just a tad bit north of the Brookhaven Marta station.
06-23-2008, 09:10 AM
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Stacey
Have you considered a short term lease before buying?
Anyway, the area you are considering is changing-- but just how it will change and what pace is up in the air. Projects that are underway will be completed, but projects that have not started may slow down or be abandoned all together.
06-23-2008, 09:26 AM
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I'm actually going through the same thing you are going through right now! Are you looking for it to be built or do you need to move in right now?
If you are looking for a unit available right now you may want to look at Ashford Creek - they had some really nice 2 bedroom 2.5 bathroom (plus bonus room units) at 299K that were really nice - I would have bought one myself except I have an apartment lease up next year, so I'm looking for things not yet built yet. They had the nicest clubhouse of all the new townhome communities I've looked at - in addition to the pool it had an onsite gym, which I really liked.
I looked at the Views at Lenox Crossing and while I liked the units, the floorplans were a little choppy for my personal tastes and I had a really bad experience with one of the onsite agents. After deciding not to buy there one of them called me and accused me of trying to get a better price with the other onsite agent, and was quite nasty. If I hadn't been in bed with a severe cold at the time I would have given her a piece of my mind, and I'm still tempted to figure out who their boss is and call and complain. Between the two I would agree that Turnbury Gates is nicer construction, the Lowes concerns me too much to buy there, but if you could get on the side of the community away from the Lowes it may not be too bad.
06-23-2008, 09:31 AM
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I actually need time to sell my house in NJ. Turnbury Gates is willing to give me as long as a 6 month out contingency on the sale of my home which is great for me. Pulte will give only a 60 day contingency.
Was the girl you dealt with Teena (and indian girl)? At the Views at Lenox or was it a blonde girl? How long ago was this? I know there was a girl there named Andrea (blonde girl) up until two weeks ago. Now it's another blonde girl but I do not know her name. I met them yesterday. Thanks!
06-23-2008, 09:39 AM
Location: Dallas, TX
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Andrea is the one who thought I was trying to bypass her, I guess Teena had a customer with the same name. There were two girls with my name in my high school, and three at my current physicians, so I know it happens, but she didn't believe me!
If I were trying to sell I'd be more comfortable with 6 months vs. 60 days, but I'm extremely cautious. Where else have you looked aside from these two?
06-23-2008, 10:09 AM
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Yes I know Andrea. I bought a place at the Terraces at Park ave last year from her with the 60 day contingency In Vinings, but I let it go after the 60 days because my house did not sell. They gave me my $5000 earnest money back and I am still looking:
I have looked at a ton of places!
1) Mosaic at Vinings (not impressed with the location Spring Rd in Smyrna)
2) Views at Park ave in Smyrna (Pulte)
3) Terraces at Park ave in Smyrna (Pulte)
4) Westbury at Vinings in Smyrna (Pulte)
6) Danbury Parc in Chamblee (again not too impressed with Centex)
7) Turnbury Gates in Chamblee (thought the quality here surpassed the others) not sure about the location. Behind Lowe's but overlooking the Peachtree Goff Course - this is my dilemna.
8) Views at Lenox Crossing in Brookhaven (1800 sq ft) Pulte
9) Overlook at Lexox in Brookhaven (2200 sq ft same as above but bigger) Pulte
5) Cobblestone at Brookhaven (not too impressed with Centex) I like Pulte better (Centex again don't care for them too much).
I covered alot....I liked for the $300K price range #8 and #7 best.
06-23-2008, 10:22 AM
Location: Dallas, TX
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I think you've covered just about everything I looked at! Have you looked at Dresden Creek by Beazer? They were very nice and I think they were in your price range as well.
Just curious - what was your concern with Centex? Danbury Parc is probably my top choice at the moment, the only issue is they haven't released anything for sale so I don't have firm pricing or timing with them.
06-23-2008, 10:50 AM
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Stacey- I live off Ashford Dunwoody (close to Turnbury) and often visit that Lowe's. Turnbury definitely sticks out like a sore thumb for that area. The townhomes look very nice and upscale and I know they are beautiful inside also (we checked out their sister community Telfair Gates). But in my opinion, the location is a big negative. You have the Lowe's and a gas station right next to it. The apartment complex across the street looks decent, but it's always better to have neighbors that are homeowners (and therefore have a vested interest in the well-being of the area). Right down the street on Ashford are a bunch of very small run-down homes. And I wouldn't consider that area of Peachtree Industrial to be very nice at all. You also don't have any parks or nice areas to walk/jog to (though if you're a golfer, the nearby course is a bonus).
The interesting thing is that Turnbury's immediate location is not good, but you are within close distance of some great areas. Perimeter Mall is about 4 miles away, Phipps/Lenox is 5 miles away, and one street over on Johnson Ferry you have subdivisions of new $800k McMansions. And it's very close to the Town:Brookhaven development going up.
You asked about the Johnson Ferry new development...I don't think any retail/restaurant tenants have been announced yet. But the site isn't huge so I'd be really surprised to get a Target there. You can get more info on the development at
Johnson Ferry East
One final thing to consider- you'd have a Chamblee address if you lived at Turnbury. I'm no real estate expert and this is just my personal opinion- but if you are concerned about status and cache, a Chamblee address definitely doesn't bring that (where Brookhaven typically would). I'm not sure how much this would affect your resale value either.
Don't know anything about Lenox Crossing so can't comment on that.
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People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)