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Old 11-20-2010, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Mass transit also helps slow the rate of congestion growth. You would think as traffic continues to get worse that people here would be more open to supporting mass transit. It really boggles my mind.
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Old 11-21-2010, 07:56 AM
 
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2. Tunnel Yes there is one 'planned' at least on paper, Will never be built.
It sounds like they need a network of underground tunnels. Not just one. And then to increase the car registration costs. If they put a toll, people will avoid the tunnels.
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:28 AM
 
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Atlanta has some pretty poorly planned street layouts as well. A few arteries need widening that will never happen because of the neighborhoods they pass through.
Maybe instead of widening roads through old residential neighborhoods, commuters could go around those neighborhoods. Or live closer to work. Or take the bus. Or telecommute.

It's hard for me to understand why established residential communities should bear the burden of commuters cutting through from suburb to suburb.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Avondale Estates
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Atlanta's problem is that the majority of jobs are located where transit is not available. Alot of people do not like Marta and choose not to take it. The vast majority don't have that option in the first place. Wider roads will do nothing at all. Atlanta will keep growing and more cars will jam up those roads too. I agree with the poster who said transit is our only real option in trying to abate the massive gridlock around Metro Atlanta.
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Old 11-21-2010, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Atlanta's problem is that the majority of jobs are located where transit is not available. Alot of people do not like Marta and choose not to take it. The vast majority don't have that option in the first place. Wider roads will do nothing at all. Atlanta will keep growing and more cars will jam up those roads too. I agree with the poster who said transit is our only real option in trying to abate the massive gridlock around Metro Atlanta.
Agreed, if...and only if...the transit that is built goes where people want and need to go. The radial system built for MARTA solved a 1960s commuting need, and not a need for people in 2010. We need effective options for people who live and work in the suburbs, where the majority of people live and work in the Atlanta metro.
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:10 PM
 
Location: morningside, atlanta
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It sounds like they need a network of underground tunnels. Not just one. And then to increase the car registration costs. If they put a toll, people will avoid the tunnels.
truly ironic, considering your username. lol

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Agreed, if...and only if...the transit that is built goes where people want and need to go. The radial system built for MARTA solved a 1960s commuting need, and not a need for people in 2010. We need effective options for people who live and work in the suburbs, where the majority of people live and work in the Atlanta metro.
marta does an amazing job considering the lack of density here. sure it could do a hell of a lot better, but atlanta would have to densify immensely, among other things. consider the ttc in toronto - which is 6 miles shorter in total length but gets 4 times the riders... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_subway_and_RT
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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Agreed, if...and only if...the transit that is built goes where people want and need to go. The radial system built for MARTA solved a 1960s commuting need, and not a need for people in 2010. We need effective options for people who live and work in the suburbs, where the majority of people live and work in the Atlanta metro.
Well said.
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Old 11-25-2010, 04:31 PM
 
Location: morningside, atlanta
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Agreed, if...and only if...the transit that is built goes where people want and need to go. The radial system built for MARTA solved a 1960s commuting need, and not a need for people in 2010. We need effective options for people who live and work in the suburbs, where the majority of people live and work in the Atlanta metro.
not really. transit cannot effectively meet the needs of atlanta's current commuting patterns - they are just too random and sporadic, and the costs of implement something that would only partially fit the needs of our current development style are just too great for most of our tea party supporting metro.

density supports transit and vice versa, and atlanta's suburban employment "centers" (outside cumberland and perimeter center) are just too sporadically developed to function all that well with transit. alpharetta is a great example - tying all of that lowrise office space together would require it's own system, without considering joining it up to any other employment or housing centers. (or north springs marta) office workers aren't going to be willing to walk the great distances required to make transit viable up there, especially not in the heat of our summers...

So many atlantans don't realize what a goldmine we have in marta's heavy rail system. toronto, only slightly larger than us but many times denser, gets four times the ridership on their rail system with fewer miles of track. (would be the third highest ridership of any city, just below DC with half the miles of track (!!!) if within the US)

developers in atlanta need to concentrate around our existing rail system if we expect to move forward any with transit in the area. we need more TODs with sufficient "work/play" stuff like what exists near Lindbergh, but literally part of the development and not across the street and through a massive lot)

the suburbs of atlanta basically treat marta as the nation's most expensive commuter rail system, when it should and could be so much more.

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Old 11-25-2010, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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How bad is the traffic during the day? How about weekends?
Are they planning to build any tunnels to solve the traffic problems?
It is BAD during the day because it is bad. It is WORSE on the weekends because we often have 100,000 visitors in town for events and a parade of Canadians driving RVs south for the winter. And the DOT works on every expressway on the weekends so they go from 4 lanes to a 1 or 2 lanes. And, no, as long as the Republicans run the state, nothing will be done to help traffic problems.
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Mass transit also helps slow the rate of congestion growth. You would think as traffic continues to get worse that people here would be more open to supporting mass transit. It really boggles my mind.
We need a mix of solutions. In higher densely populated areas, we need RAIL. I would like to see MARTA build RAIL further out with a line across the top of the metro connecting Marietta to Norcross going through the commercial areas along the top end of the Perimeter and connecting to the north MARTA line at the Perimeter Mall station to Midtown, Buckhead and Downtown. Also the west line should be expanded to Fulton Ind and Mabelton.
On the road side, we need to build the Northern Arc to connect 75 to 85 to 20 to get the vehicles off 285 that are not going to Atlanta. People should not have to drive through Atlanta to get from the north or west to Florida. We also need to look at using reversible lanes and express lanes like Chicago does. It is silly to have one side of the expressway jammed up while 6 lanes going the opposite way are virtually empty. Make the middle lanes going both ways reversible express lanes.
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