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Old 12-02-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
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A city and metro is more than just population it also is GDP, economy, amenities, and in these regards Birmingham is not even anywhere close to Nashville or Charlotte. If this is true then Birmingham is also close to Indianapolis, Cleveland, Cininnatti, Columbus,Pittsburgh,..... These cities hve CSA's above 2million( at least Charlotte is around 2.5 million.)
Even using those metrics, Birmingham is still in a league right below Charlotte. You can easily break it down to CSAs from 1 million-2million and those from 2 million-3.5 million or so. Birmingham would be in the former group and Charlotte in the latter. You're getting your panties all in a bunch over nothing.

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Greensboro metro is around 1.2 million. Do you actually think that Greensboro is in a league right below Charlotte and Nashville?!!! Come on Man........
I'm not sure where you're getting the 1.2 million figure for Greensboro from, but the Triad is around 1.6 million. So yes, it's actually not far off from Charlotte and Nashville.
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:20 PM
 
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To answer your question about where Birmingham "belongs" in terms of size, amenities, GDP etc. I think it falls right around the same place as Richmond and Louisville.
Yes it is smaller than both Nashville and Charlotte, but too large to be compared to Little Rock or Jackson. Is that not a pretty reasonable assessment?
Exactly. I tend to look at tiers of metros like this:

Little Rock, Jackson, Knoxville, Columbia, Augusta

Birmingham, Richmond, Louisville, Jacksonville, OKC

Charlotte, Nashville, Austin, Indianapolis, Orlando

Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Houston
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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How again is Birmingham on Charlotte and Nashvilles level or even close to their league????? and even if its not Birmingham is its own city with its own charm. Again just because Atlanta is ATLanta does not mean every other city in the south sucks!!
I can agree with some of what you are saying, but my only question is where are you getting your economic output figures?
The 2009 report which was released in January looks like this for each respective metro:

21 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC 115.0 Billion
38 Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN 78.1 Billion
49 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 54.2 Billion

To answer your question about where Birmingham "belongs" in terms of size, amenities, GDP etc. I think it falls right around the same place as Richmond and Louisville.
Yes it is smaller than both Nashville and Charlotte, but too large to be compared to Little Rock or Jackson. Is that not a pretty reasonable assessment?

45 Richmond, VA 59.8 Billion
48 Louisville-Jefferson County, KY-IN 55.9 Billion
49 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 54.2 Billion

http://www.usmayors.org/metroeconomies/0110/charts.pdf

As far as points of interest for Birmingham, I would have included the Civil Rights Institute, Ross Bridge Resort & Spa which is comparable to Gaylord in Nashville, and McWayne Science Center. This is by no means a draw, but Birmingham is also home to the first and only Neo-Soul format radio station in the country. *and Gucci Man*

Urban Radio Nation - Urban Radio Stations, Media and Music: WENN Moves its FM signal to 102.1 to Cover Birmingham Better

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Old 12-02-2010, 03:31 PM
 
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Exactly. I tend to look at tiers of metros like this:

Little Rock, Jackson, Knoxville, Columbia, Augusta

Birmingham, Richmond, Louisville, Jacksonville, OKC

Charlotte, Nashville, Austin, Indianapolis, Orlando

Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Houston
Sorry I deleted and reposted to include some other things.

I agree with all of those as well, and I think Birmingham sort of sits in an awkward place in terms of size within its region, but to sell it short as if it's Jackson or Montgomery is just silly. Someone tried to convince me that Jackson was practically even with Birmingham which is far from true, but Birmingham isn't on the level of Charlotte or Nashville either.

Birmingham is situated comfortably between the Jackson/Montgomery tier and the Charlotte/Nashville tier, and there's a nice gap going in either direction.

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Old 12-02-2010, 03:40 PM
 
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Sorry I deleted and reposted to include some other things.

I agree with all of those as well, and I think Birmingham sort of sits in an awkward place in terms of size within its region, but to sell it short as if it's Jackson or Montgomery is just silly. Someone tried to convince me that Jackson was practically even with Birmingham which is far from true, but Birmingham isn't on the level of Charlotte or Nashville either.

Birmingham sits comfortably in a tier between the Jackson/Montgomery tier and the Charlotte/Nashville tier, and their's a nice gap going in either direction.
Agreed. Apparently qc dreamin doesn't know that there can be quite a difference between leagues or tiers of metros which is why they are in different leagues/tiers to begin with.
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:47 PM
 
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Sorry I deleted and reposted to include some other things.

I agree with all of those as well, and I think Birmingham sort of sits in an awkward place in terms of size within its region, but to sell it short as if it's Jackson or Montgomery is just silly. Someone tried to convince me that Jackson was practically even with Birmingham which is far from true, but Birmingham isn't on the level of Charlotte or Nashville either.

Birmingham sits comfortably in a tier between the Jackson/Montgomery tier and the Charlotte/Nashville tier, and their's a nice gap going in either direction.
I say Birmingham is closer to Nashville than Montgomery/Jackson, because it does have more influence on the state and the nation like Nasville and Charlotte. It feels way bigger than Montgomery and Jackson. Not being biased, I will place Birmingham right next door to Charlotte and Nashville and about 3 to 5 doors up from Montgomery and Jackson.
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Old 12-02-2010, 05:17 PM
 
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I say Birmingham is closer to Nashville than Montgomery/Jackson, because it does have more influence on the state and the nation like Nasville and Charlotte. It feels way bigger than Montgomery and Jackson. Not being biased, I will place Birmingham right next door to Charlotte and Nashville and about 3 to 5 doors up from Montgomery and Jackson.
IDK, honestly I think Birmingham simply reminds me a lot more of Nashville than it does Jackson, Montgomery or Memphis which may also play a role.

The Birmingham/Memphis comparison always seems to come up when I see no other similarities outside of the Civil Rights Museums and history of both places. Nashville feels considerably larger than Birmingham to me as does Charlotte, but I guarantee anyone from Nashville will swear they are NOTHING alike lol. People never cease to amaze me on this site, as if the acknowledgement of a smaller place with similarities is always baseless.

Is it just me, or does Nashville seem like a souped-up, more cosmopolitan version of Birmingham with country music blaring into the streets?
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Old 12-02-2010, 05:43 PM
 
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The Birmingham/Memphis comparison always seems to come up when I see no other similarities outside of the Civil Rights Museums and history of both places.
Local politics and demographics also.

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Is it just me, or does Nashville seem like a souped-up, more cosmopolitan version of Birmingham with country music blaring into the streets?
I don't think so. I think there's a progressive vibe in Nashville that's more palpable than in Birmingham. Local leadership can do much to influence the vibe and perception of a city.
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Old 12-02-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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Local politics and demographics also.
Hadn't thought of it this way, but you're right. Birmingham has had its fair share of ill-equipped leaders hence the reason they've missed the ball as many times as they have. Demographically, yes they are much closer but they look and feel nothing like one another to me.

I would like to hear more on that though, because I don't really see that. Do you not agree that the difference in terrain alone represents a Bham/Memphis contrast as well as a Bham/Nashville likeness thus changing the experience while traveling in and around the metro?
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I don't think so. I think there's a progressive vibe in Nashville that's more palpable than in Birmingham. Local leadership can do much to influence the vibe and perception of a city.
I am speaking more in terms of topography, street scape, scenery etc. They look and feel so much alike to me, that I thought it would be pointless to move there over ATL. Nashville has always felt like more of the same to me, but I just can't believe Memphis reminds you of Birmingham more.

There are other perhaps trivial things that cant really be measured you know, the rivertown feel more or less. Similar to the beach vibe in MIA, LA and SD. IDK, Bham lacks that vibe that I felt around Memphis, Baton Rouge, New Orleans places like that.

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Old 12-02-2010, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Here we go again:

Charlotte

Gdp:$118 billion

top 20 world wide airport(passenger travel)

Top 10(u.s.) # Fortune 500 headquarters

NBA, NFL

Nascar Hall of Fame/ Museums....

ACC Football Championship

ACC Basketball championship

NCaa tournament host

CIAA tournament

and the list goes on..........


Nashville

GDP: $85 billion

Grand ole opry

country music hall of fame

NFL

and the list goes on.....


Birmingham

GDP: 52 billion

few local amenities.........


How again is Birmingham on Charlotte and Nashvilles level or even close to their league????? and even if its not Birmingham is its own city with its own charm. Again just because Atlanta is ATLanta does not mean every other city in the south sucks!!
As usual, you skim over the points that were being made in regards to the comparisons. And you REALLY need to get over your Atlanta envy - it makes you look very small town.

Why exactly are you so threatened with this comparison of Birmingham to it's larger peers? How does this really impact your life in the Triad?
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