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Old 11-28-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: 30080
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Where are all of these beautiful areas you speak of? lol... certainly cant be west of downtown or directly to the east of it. Ensley, Fairfield, Bessemer, West End...ehhhh.... the only place in Bham id ever live are to the south of it.
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Old 11-28-2010, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Midtown Atlanta
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Ensley is where my grandmother grew up. She would always talk about how idyllic her childhood was in the 1950s; her dad worked at the steel mill and it was pretty much Norman Rockwellville. A couple of years ago she took me to see the house they lived in and it was like night and day. Pretty much like English Avenue is here: depressing, down and out, classic urban blight. It's a shame though: Ensley has historic building stock and a little downtown that could be another Va-Hi if urban pioneers would come along. But it would take A LOT of work (i.e. crime reduction). I haven't seen the Southside where everyone talks about as being so nice, but I was impressed with Mountain Brook. Pretty much Buckhead with prettier topography.
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Old 11-28-2010, 02:41 PM
 
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I lived in Birmingham... bottom line most of that city hasnt changed whatsoever since the civil rights movement. With the exception of areas like Hoover, Vestavia Hills and SOME parts of Homewood Bham is a cesspool. UAB is the only thing that makes the downtown area worth going to. Bottom line... its a ishthole.
Well "that city" roughly makes up only about 20% of the CSA which was NEVER stagnant, and is still growing. You must've lived in the ghetto when you were there.

I actually agree with much of what you've said; William Bell seems to be getting things back on track though.

Shops of Grand River debuts to big crowds | al.com

Westin Project Ready to Go - CBS 42 Birmingham, AL News Weather Sports

Railroad Reservation Park Downtown Birmingham

Birmingham leaders look to build new baseball stadium downtown - WSFA 12 News Montgomery, AL |

Birmingham is a city that has suffered at the hands of jackleg leadership. Everything takes time, so better late than never I alway say.

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Where are all of these beautiful areas you speak of? lol... certainly cant be west of downtown or directly to the east of it. Ensley, Fairfield, Bessemer, West End...ehhhh.... the only place in Bham id ever live are to the south of it.
Umm Hueytown, Pleasant Grove, McCalla ... are you familiar with any of those places?!
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Old 11-28-2010, 04:18 PM
 
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Where are all of these beautiful areas you speak of? lol... certainly cant be west of downtown or directly to the east of it. Ensley, Fairfield, Bessemer, West End...ehhhh.... the only place in Bham id ever live are to the south of it.
The green ridges, topography, hills, mountains, etc...
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Old 11-28-2010, 04:32 PM
 
Location: 30080
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Well "that city" roughly makes up only about 20% of the CSA which was NEVER stagnant, and is still growing. You must've lived in the ghetto when you were there.

I actually agree with much of what you've said; William Bell seems to be getting things back on track though.

Shops of Grand River debuts to big crowds | al.com

Westin Project Ready to Go - CBS 42 Birmingham, AL News Weather Sports

Railroad Reservation Park Downtown Birmingham

Birmingham leaders look to build new baseball stadium downtown - WSFA 12 News Montgomery, AL |

Birmingham is a city that has suffered at the hands of jackleg leadership. Everything takes time, so better late than never I alway say.



Umm Hueytown, Pleasant Grove, McCalla ... are you familiar with any of those places?!
Didnt live in the Ghetto.. but hell that would be the MAJORITY of Birmingham. All the people with money flee to Hoover or Vestavia.. or way out to centerpoint. I hated everything about Bham from the lack of nightlife to the lack of things to do. I gave it a year to grow on me and got the hell out of there. When I would leave and come back to Bham it was just depressing. Not to mention the crime really DID suck there.

Again if I HAD to live there again it'd only be in Vestavia or Hoover.
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Old 11-28-2010, 06:44 PM
 
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Didnt live in the Ghetto..but hell that would be the MAJORITY of Birmingham.
So would you argue that Birmingham is more ghetto in nature than Atlanta?

Answer A
Yes: (Please specify exactly what area of Birmingham is more ghetto and blighted than what can be found here around Turner Field, Marietta St. etc. just to name a couple)

Answer B
No: (Please explain what is meant by your original statement)

You also failed to answer my question sir. Are you not familar with McCalla which is basically Bessemer? There are new construction subdivisions with homes $500,000 - $1,000,000+ there son. I do agree that much of Bham's core has been neglected but that is changing and again you are only looking at a fraction of the entire picture.

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Not to mention the crime really DID suck there.
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So you are telling me that you feel safer here in Atlanta than in Birmingham?!
Do me a favor, check out Birmingham news for a straight week then compare that to what you see EVERY DAY here on Fox 5. Atlanta news is juicier than CSI Miami!!!

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Assuming this is what you are referring to, Birmingham crime is much more confined to certain areas, and less horrific in general than here.
Are you freakin' kidding me.
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Well "that city" roughly makes up only about 20% of the CSA which was NEVER stagnant, and is still growing. You must've lived in the ghetto when you were there.

I actually agree with much of what you've said; William Bell seems to be getting things back on track though.

Shops of Grand River debuts to big crowds | al.com

Westin Project Ready to Go - CBS 42 Birmingham, AL News Weather Sports

Railroad Reservation Park Downtown Birmingham

Birmingham leaders look to build new baseball stadium downtown - WSFA 12 News Montgomery, AL |

Birmingham is a city that has suffered at the hands of jackleg leadership. Everything takes time, so better late than never I alway say.



Umm Hueytown, Pleasant Grove, McCalla ... are you familiar with any of those places?!
It would be nice if they'd just finish Interstate 22 so I can get through that hell hole even faster!
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:50 PM
 
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It would be nice if they'd just finish Interstate 22 so I can get through that hell hole even faster!
I agree. Wouldn't want to come between you and the utopian enclave that is Smyrna.
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:22 AM
 
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KevK and brownhornet are the people who make me itch. They act like Atlanta is the S**T and don't give Birmingham any credit. Come on now, Atlanta was once a hell hole and probably still is. A lot of times, it takes a city or anything to go through crazy transitions in order to have brighter future. Y'all shouldn't put Birmingham down; I mean, I know they are you all's opinions, but for real, give Birmingham a little more credit than that. There is a lot of things to do in Birmingham. There is a good nightlife in Birmingham. Sometimes, when you hate a city just to hate it, you miss out on the things that it has to offer because you are stuck hating a city for an irrelevant reason. I know I may say things about Atlanta, but I know in my heart that it a great city, but is overrated. In modern times, urban areas are probably the most blight and unfortunate areas in the world: crime, poverty, bad education, etc. I hate when people in Atlanta look at Birmingham like it's backwards. It is smaller than Atlanta, so of course, it's going to feel that way. Birmingham has a nice skyline, great restuarants, great shopping, great colleges, etc. for a city and a metro of its size. Let's not play the bullying game. We all know Atlanta is bigger and have more things to do, but with it being bigger, it has way more problems than Birmingham do. You guys talk about Birmingham, but at least the people in Birmingham don't have to sit in traffic for hours during the day, at least they still have their Southern charm, at least they are not putting too much hype into the success of one particular race, at least they are not experiencing growing pains that are haunting them presently. I can go on and on. People can talk about Birmingham, but at least it has everything that is essential for someone's life. It offers an urban atmosphere that is quite underrated. Before any person from Atlanta calls Birmingham a hell hole and talk bad about it, they should look at Atlanta's problems and should be quiet, since Birmingham has way less problems than Atlanta has. So quit it. It's so childish to call Birmingham names and to speak poorly about it, when Atlanta ain't all of that and has its own problems although it's a great city. Every city has problems; no city is better than the other one. I think this thread is useless.
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:33 AM
 
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Atlanta > Birmingham

Some cities are better than others. As much as I gripe about Atlanta(and there's plenty to gripe about), I'd much rather live here than Birmingham. Nothing about that city appeals to me. It's not that it's so bad, but after having lived in Atlanta for several years it's just not even on my radar anymore.
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