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Old 12-09-2010, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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1. Healthcare for everyone by forcing people to buy private health insurance? Really? That's ultra-liberal?
2. Versus the banking & airline bailouts that happen under the so-called "conservative" Bush
3. Sez you. Show me the proof from a non-partisan organization
4. Versus the Medicare drug benefit under the last Prez
5. Nixon & Gerald Ford winded down operations in Vietnam. Both were Republicans
6. What business does America have giving billions of dollars to Israel? Once upon a time a TRUE Conservative like Charles Lindburg would have been outraged by that. But I forget that our country is governed by pop-culture & caricatures now. No more true conservatives.
7. Nixon sucked Communist Chinamen balls
8. Again, sez you. Show me proof from a non-partisan organization and I wll reconsider this opinion.
9. Show me a President, U.S. Representative, and U.S. Senator that hasn't.
10. Has nothing to do with being liberal.

Try again, buddy. Make it more entertaining next time.

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Aaahhh... let me count the ways.

1) Health care for everyone
2) Spending our way out of recessions
3) Record levels of handouts (corporate and individual)
4) Cash for Clunkers
5) Winding down operations in Iraq
6) Trying to dictate foreign policy to the Israelis
7) Bowing down deep to King Abdullah
8) Record deficits, our current annual deficit now is larger than the USA's entire budget in 1988.
9) Massive stimulus spending for public projects.
10) Compromising whenever there is the least bit of resistance by extreme Republicans so that 'both sides' can be happy.

None of this would have ever been the status quo under Bill Clinton. All of you so-called progressives ought to be ashamed of yourselves for promoting this 'community organizer' to lead our country.

Damnit! It's 2010 and the majority of Americans still miss Bill Clinton. A Democrat with balls... and quite possibly the only leader of the Democratic party who still has them.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:29 AM
 
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Particularly considering Obama's complete sell-out of his campaign promises to the wealthy/Republicans--i.e., giving into tax cuts for millionaires and now even a cut in the estate tax--I can't for the life of me understand how people like you can maintain that this guy is an "ultra-lib." How out of touch can one be?

Ultraliberals would never, ever make such a deal. Nor would they put together a health care package that wasn't single payer or at least had a public option involved.

I feel like there's an Obama caricature that conservatives keep imagining--you know, the one who's a communist Muslim from another planet--that has little to do with the real one, who's been utterly aggravating to actual liberals.
Perception is reality, Obama has been painted as a far left President. Now we can debate the merits of that all day long but it doesnt change the fact that more and more people are turning away from him. I personally consider him far left for letting the President of Mexico stand up in our Congress and denigrate the good people of Arizona all while getting a stand ovation from ALL the Democrats in attendance. To me it was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen in the halls of Congress. He also has supported the right to build the ground zero mosque and his blind devotion to that idiotic healthcare bill all while unemployment was through the roof shows me that he is an idealogue. Ignoring the economy in order to push his own agenda makes him far from being a moderate Democrat. Only now that he got his a$$ handed to him is he willing to work with the Republicans. Ask yourself how many times he involved the Republicans before they took control of the House.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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Perception is reality, Obama has been painted as a far left President. Now we can debate the merits of that all day long but it doesnt change the fact that more and more people are turning away from him. I personally consider him far left for letting the President of Mexico stand up in our Congress and denigrate the good people of Arizona all while getting a stand ovation from ALL the Democrats in attendance. To me it was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen in the halls of Congress. He also has supported the right to build the ground zero mosque and his blind devotion to that idiotic healthcare bill all while unemployment was through the roof shows me that he is an idealogue. Ignoring the economy in order to push his own agenda makes him far from being a moderate Democrat. Only now that he got his a$$ handed to him is he willing to work with the Republicans. Ask yourself how many times he involved the Republicans before they took control of the House.
Except that the CBO--a non-partisan organization scoring economic policies--has said again and again that health care reform REDUCES THE DEFICIT SUBSTANTIALLY over the long term.

Good grief, I can't figure out why conservatives can't understand that side of things. Obama promoted it because it was fiscally responsible, not because it "hurts the economy."

And the actual plan voted on and endorsed by Obama, the one based on state exchanges with no federally governed public option, was essentially the Republican plan from the 90s! Check out Bob Dole's platform from 96.

You can say "perception is reality" all you want, but you can't make up economic facts to suit your own biases. Actual liberals have been mostly upset with Obama for a while, so it's absolutely perplexing to see the Fox News Universe continue to claim he's a socialist.

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Old 12-09-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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Aaahhh... let me count the ways.

7) Bowing down deep to King Abdullah
You have to wonder why this was hunky-dory when George Bush did it. Can you imagine how the media would go berserk if Obama did something like this?





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Old 12-09-2010, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Perception is reality, Obama has been painted as a far left President.
The Corporate media has been painting EVERYONE who doesn't suck at the corporate teat as far-left for decades since the end of the 1960's. It was even stronger when Reagan got into office and made the word "conservative" mainstream again.

But you are right, perception is reality...even if that perception is as distorted as a cracked magnifying glass.

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I personally consider him far left for letting the President of Mexico stand up in our Congress and denigrate the good people of Arizona all while getting a stand ovation from ALL the Democrats in attendance. To me it was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen in the halls of Congress.
I supported the Iraq war when I thought that we were deposing the ultimate bad guy Saddam Hussein. I was glad when he was hung for his crimes against the Kurds & Shia Muslims. But I was encouraged to dig a little deeper into history, come to find out that our country supported Saddam Hussein at one point during his war against Iran in the early 80's. We may have even supplied him with the materials that he used for a deadly gas attack against the Kurds in 1988.

Think how disgusted I was when I found a picture of former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand.





It's all about power and influence, big guy. If you're gonna knock Obama for the perception of kowtowing to a foreign power, you're gonna have to knock them all. There are no angels in this dirty game of politics, eh?
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Old 12-09-2010, 04:23 PM
 
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The Corporate media has been painting EVERYONE who doesn't suck at the corporate teat as far-left for decades since the end of the 1960's. It was even stronger when Reagan got into office and made the word "conservative" mainstream again.

But you are right, perception is reality...even if that perception is as distorted as a cracked magnifying glass.



I supported the Iraq war when I thought that we were deposing the ultimate bad guy Saddam Hussein. I was glad when he was hung for his crimes against the Kurds & Shia Muslims. But I was encouraged to dig a little deeper into history, come to find out that our country supported Saddam Hussein at one point during his war against Iran in the early 80's. We may have even supplied him with the materials that he used for a deadly gas attack against the Kurds in 1988.

Think how disgusted I was when I found a picture of former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand.





It's all about power and influence, big guy. If you're gonna knock Obama for the perception of kowtowing to a foreign power, you're gonna have to knock them all. There are no angels in this dirty game of politics, eh?
I agree with most of what you said but Sadam wasnt welcomed in DC like some sort of conquering hero the way that the Mexican President was earlier this year. Sadam also didnt get up in front of Congress and tell us how awful Arizona is for wanting to deal with his own illegal citizen that are overrunning that state. All the while getting a standing ovation from ALL of the Amnesty supporting Democrats in attendance.
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Old 12-09-2010, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Obama has been painted as a far left President.
Um...because he is? Maybe you could say he's just "left wing" and not "far left" but by US standards, he's far left. Just look at his personal history and his beliefs while in college and as a "community organizer." Look, you can agree with him or disagree, but you can't hide his beliefs and who he is inside.

He has endorsed and pushed through a gov't takeover of our healthcare system, despite the opposition of a majority of Americans which led to his party getting its clock cleaned in the recent elections.

He has endorsed a "cap and trade" tax.

He has endorsed raising taxes on all Americans and especially owners of small businesses and those he labels "the rich" despite the current economy. He is a class warrior...big time. Look at his latest reaction to the recent situation and his comments.

He has endorsed redistribution of wealth and believes that some people deserve your money more than you do, and that the gov't is the vehicle to decide and make that happen.
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Old 12-09-2010, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Why aren't you more outraged that U.S. Senator Saxby Chambliss and other likeminded Republicans/Conservatives are working behind the scenes to undermine rigorous enforcement at the borders?

So when Fox News & Talk Radio purposely ignores the farm lobby's efforts to undermine law enforcement at the borders, it's non-existent to you?

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I agree with most of what you said but Sadam wasnt welcomed in DC like some sort of conquering hero the way that the Mexican President was earlier this year. Sadam also didnt get up in front of Congress and tell us how awful Arizona is for wanting to deal with his own illegal citizen that are overrunning that state. All the while getting a standing ovation from ALL of the Amnesty supporting Democrats in attendance.
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Old 12-09-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You never heard the phrase "talk is cheap"? Politicians say a lot of things, but it doesn't mean that they will follow through on them.

But I guess you're more interested in the window dressing than what's actually inside the house. Suprascooby is right: Perception is Reality!!!

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Um...because he is? Maybe you could say he's just "left wing" and not "far left" but by US standards, he's far left. Just look at his personal history and his beliefs while in college and as a "community organizer." Look, you can agree with him or disagree, but you can't hide his beliefs and who he is inside.

He has endorsed and pushed through a gov't takeover of our healthcare system, despite the opposition of a majority of Americans which led to his party getting its clock cleaned in the recent elections.

He has endorsed a "cap and trade" tax.

He has endorsed raising taxes on all Americans and especially owners of small businesses and those he labels "the rich" despite the current economy. He is a class warrior...big time. Look at his latest reaction to the recent situation and his comments.

He has endorsed redistribution of wealth and believes that some people deserve your money more than you do, and that the gov't is the vehicle to decide and make that happen.

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Old 12-09-2010, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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You never heard the phrase "talk is cheap"? Politicians say a lot of things, but it doesn't mean that they will follow through on them.

But I guess you're more interested in the window dressing than what's actually inside the house. Suprascooby is right: Perception is Reality!!!
I judge people by BOTH their actions and their words. What else would you have me judge them on? I am absolutely perplexed by your comment. What are you trying to say?
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