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Old 12-03-2010, 09:15 AM
 
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Very sad story but one thing that sticks out to me in this story is everyone they interview is a single mother with several kids. The women quoted below has SIX kids. Why in the world if you are low income would you have so many kids? Common sense should tell you to only have children that you can afford. This whole thing reeks of an entilement attitude when someone should be asking these ladies why they let their lives get to this point. I know, I know, I am being heartless but I am NOT. I just wish someone would sit some of these folks down and comfront them on the decisions that they have made to put them in this position to begin with. Meaning tell them yeah we will give you "energy assistance" after you sign up and complete a course or class on how to better take care of your finances. Entitlements should only be handed out if certain bench marks are meet or these people will live their lives with their hands out. Just my two cents.


"Lakesha Charles, who has been out of work for two years, was number 16 in the Marietta line Thursday, which, she said, is “better than number 100.”
The mother of six said she “heard it was ridiculous” on Wednesday, when only 30 people at a time were let into the assistance center.“Hopefully, we can get in and get help,” she said."

Hundreds line up in the cold for help heating homes *| ajc.com
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Old 12-03-2010, 09:31 AM
 
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Very sad story but one thing that sticks out to me in this story is everyone they interview is a single mother with several kids. The women quoted below has SIX kids. Why in the world if you are low income would you have so many kids? Common sense should tell you to only have children that you can afford. This whole thing reeks of an entilement attitude when someone should be asking these ladies why they let their lives get to this point. I know, I know, I am being heartless but I am NOT. I just wish someone would sit some of these folks down and comfront them on the decisions that they have made to put them in this position to begin with. Meaning tell them yeah we will give you "energy assistance" after you sign up and complete a course or class on how to better take care of your finances. Entitlements should only be handed out if certain bench marks are meet or these people will live their lives with their hands out. Just my two cents.


"Lakesha Charles, who has been out of work for two years, was number 16 in the Marietta line Thursday, which, she said, is “better than number 100.”
The mother of six said she “heard it was ridiculous” on Wednesday, when only 30 people at a time were let into the assistance center.“Hopefully, we can get in and get help,” she said."

Hundreds line up in the cold for help heating homes *| ajc.com
I don't think the primary concern in situations like should be the supposed "entitlement attitude," especially when you've got potentially six kids living in a home with no heat.

Bottom line is that those kids didn't choose that situation. Think what you want about the parents, but do we as a society (and as individual taxpayers contributing a minuscule amount of our salaries) help those kids get the basic necessities to survive? I say yes.
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Old 12-03-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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I don't think the primary concern in situations like should be the supposed "entitlement attitude," especially when you've got potentially six kids living in a home with no heat.

Bottom line is that those kids didn't choose that situation. Think what you want about the parents, but do we as a society (and as individual taxpayers contributing a minuscule amount of our salaries) help those kids get the basic necessities to survive? I say yes.
I also say "yes" but some requirements should be meet when giving out public assistance. Continuing to hand out entitlement after entitlement does no good for anyone especially the person receiving them.
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:14 AM
 
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I don't think the primary concern in situations like should be the supposed "entitlement attitude," especially when you've got potentially six kids living in a home with no heat.

Bottom line is that those kids didn't choose that situation. Think what you want about the parents, but do we as a society (and as individual taxpayers contributing a minuscule amount of our salaries) help those kids get the basic necessities to survive? I say yes.
This is the problem. You are absolutely free to say "yes" for yourself and donate whatever portion of your salary you like to them, miniscule or otherwise. But you are not free to say "yes" whether for me, your neighbor, or the guy down the street, etc. My money is not the government's, or society at large's, money - at least in a free country, no matter how "miniscule".

Certain things are paid for collectively -- police and fire, roads, military, infrastructure, et al. But beyond those basics it is not society's responsibility/duty to take care of others. If someone overeats MUST we also pay their extra healthcare? WHY?

You and whomever else are free to dedicate your time money and energy toward the problem if you like. Go right ahead, I will applaud you for doing so. But making this a collective problem is nothing short of forced wealth redistribution, aka socialism, communism, aka outright theft.

As for the kids, they should become wards of the state. If a person cant take care of them financially, they shouldnt be rewarded by receiving more funds for every kid they have. Disgusting.
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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I also say "yes" but some requirements should be meet when giving out public assistance. Continuing to hand out entitlement after entitlement does no good for anyone especially the person receiving them.
I think this is exactly the opposite of what small government conservatives should advocate.

A more sensible approach is to give government assistance to everyone in the form of cash transfers. Then tax away the money from the people who don't need it. The final step: fire the army of bereaucrats monitoring people's heating bills and determining which foods are WIC acceptable.

Those "only people who need it" requirements lead to terrible outcomes where people lose benefits if they get a job or find a higher paying job, meaning that in effect their marginal tax rates can be outrageous and in some cases greater than 100%.
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:36 AM
 
Location: North Fulton, GA
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There was a winter, years ago, in Connecticut when we had no heat. I never considered asking anyone to pay to replace the furnace- my daughters and I wore coats, hats, mittens in the house and slept under a mountain of blankets. Our tv, microwave and dishwasher also quit working so we had to learn to make due without those, too. We got by with less, friends and relatives gave us a little more than they would have, and the older girls made spending money by babysitting neighborhood children. I would never have let the situation be anything but temporary.

One daughter wrote a college entrance essay about the experience and that it showed her how you can get through tough times. All three of them now have college/graduate degrees and are on their own; I hope that they never forget that winter and the lessons it taught us all.
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:38 AM
 
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Well, first of all, you have no idea how that woman got six kids. Maybe she had a stable job and a two-family income 5 years ago and now she doesn't. Maybe two of them are biological and some of them were adopted or fostered after a family member's death. We really do NOT have enough information from that one sentence to be judging.

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As for the kids, they should become wards of the state. If a person cant take care of them financially, they shouldnt be rewarded by receiving more funds for every kid they have. Disgusting
Right, because that's so much cheaper for taxpayers?!
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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What we need to do (in my humble opinion) is to distinguish between the folks who have hit a rough patch in an otherwise productive life, and need a bit of temporary help, from those who use taxpayer money as their income due to poor choices in their own lives.

While it's not politically correct to say so, I don't support providing gov't assistance to someone who dropped out of school as a teenager to have a child as an unwed mother, with no means of support for the child or themself. To compound the problem, many times there are multiple children involved, and often no father named or child support being paid. While I don't want to see anyone starve, it's not my responsibility to pay for their mistakes or to pay for the consequences of their poor decisions or lack of parental involvement. Work 3 jobs...get charity from private sources...etc....but it's not my problem.
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Old 12-03-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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From the AJC Article:

"Joining Eady near the front of the line that had grown to about 30 people by 7:30 was Isata Kamara, a single mom of a 3-year-old."
If you Google Isata Kamara in Mayretta you get these MySpace pages:

MySpace - sexyblack Icey - 35 - Female - Marietta, Georgia - myspace.com/2iceey4u

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Still, you worry about the kids.
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Old 12-03-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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There was a winter, years ago, in Connecticut when we had no heat. I never considered asking anyone to pay to replace the furnace- my daughters and I wore coats, hats, mittens in the house and slept under a mountain of blankets. Our tv, microwave and dishwasher also quit working so we had to learn to make due without those, too. We got by with less, friends and relatives gave us a little more than they would have, and the older girls made spending money by babysitting neighborhood children. I would never have let the situation be anything but temporary.

One daughter wrote a college entrance essay about the experience and that it showed her how you can get through tough times. All three of them now have college/graduate degrees and are on their own; I hope that they never forget that winter and the lessons it taught us all.
Excellent story or being self sustaining even during very difficult times. Kudos to you.
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