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Old 01-26-2011, 09:05 AM
JPD
 
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He was already on TV saying he wants to leave it up to local elections.
Oh, so it's set in stone, I guess.

He'll flip-flop and we'll be talking about this after his two terms are up and the next governor is seated.
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Old 01-26-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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Oh, so it's set in stone, I guess.

He'll flip-flop and we'll be talking about this after his two terms are up and the next governor is seated.
I did not mean to imply that its set in stone or a done deal, I was pointing out how his comments were inconflict with your observations on your post.

It would not surprise me to see any politician flip on any issue, Sonny did regrding the schools and teachers.
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Old 01-26-2011, 09:18 AM
 
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I did not mean to imply that its set in stone or a done deal, I was pointing out how his comments were inconflict with your observations on your post.

It would not surprise me to see any politician flip on any issue, Sonny did regrding the schools and teachers.
I honestly don't think Roy Barnes would do differently, either.

Whatever--the State of Georgia needs to figure out some way to get the Prosperity moving again. Quibble and quarrel. Time is being wasted.

Irritating if not insane. 279 years of this approach to government in the State of Georgia is enough. jmo.

This is not encouraging either>>>
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-poli...he-815830.html
'Georgia could feel the federal freeze'
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Old 01-26-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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Y'all keep talking about this being a "christian" thing- it's not a "christian" thing, it's a "Baptist" thing- they're the one's who supposedly don't drink. Reminds me of a joke I heard:

How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all your beer when you're out fishing?

Bring along another Baptist........
LOL.
Why don't Baptists make love standing up?
People might think they're dancing.
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Old 01-26-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Other awesome things the "The Founding Fathers Did It!" argument can be made to advance:

- Holding/raping slaves
- Preventing women from voting

Need I go on?
How many of the founding fathers actually held or condoned the holding of slaves? And did any of them actually rape a slave, or is this hyperbole on your part?

Which other countries at the time allowed women to vote?
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:31 AM
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How many of the founding fathers actually held or condoned the holding of slaves? And did any of them actually rape a slave, or is this hyperbole on your part?

Which other countries at the time allowed women to vote?
Women did not have the right to vote in this country during the slave era.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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How many of the founding fathers actually held or condoned the holding of slaves? And did any of them actually rape a slave, or is this hyperbole on your part?

Which other countries at the time allowed women to vote?
Revisionist history, while idiotic, is de rigueur these days...a lazy, dishonest and ultimately easy way to attempt your point.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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How many of the founding fathers actually held or condoned the holding of slaves?
Around a dozen or so, wasn't it?

The only specific allegations of rape I've ever heard had to do with Jefferson. Apparently Sally Hemmings was about 16 when she became pregnant, so I guess that would technically be statutory rape under today's laws.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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How many of the founding fathers actually held or condoned the holding of slaves? And did any of them actually rape a slave, or is this hyperbole on your part?
Several, certainly, with Jefferson being the most famous; Washington, Lee, and Henry were others. And it's well documented that holders' children were somewhat frequently fathered by slaves--which is not technically rape because they weren't technically people. If you want to say these incidents were not actually rape and were something else, so be it, but the institution of slavery was completely interlaced with rape, and to support slavery was to condone rape. Of course, data on what the actual founders did is quite spotty--it took tons of testing and effort to prove Jefferson's slave's children had his DNA. Perhaps it is true that none of them ever forced sex on a slave; there's not any knowing for sure. But it's certainly true that they were part of communities of people who raped their slaves.

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Which other countries at the time allowed women to vote?
Voting anywhere by anyone was almost totally unheard of in the late 1700s.

My point isn't to trash the founding fathers. They lived in a completely different time and did and condoned lots of things we consider terrible now. But that's my point: they are NOT a good moral compass for modern day social issues. Let their ideas on structure of government and economic liberty live on and live strong, but we can't be forming social policy based on the example they set.
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