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Old 05-09-2011, 12:43 PM
 
Location: International Spacestation
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what the government is supposed to do and what it actually has the money to do are 2 different things---that is what i have heard

the bare basics--that is the economic philosophy--equality and justice for all.

try to call Clark Howard and talk to a volunteer--that is what you will be told--find an alternative and pitch in
So this is some anti government tea party thread?? Who are we suppose to be mad with? The people @ the fest or the City? Im not understanding the beef.

 
Old 05-09-2011, 12:44 PM
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What gives one group the right to decide how their fellow citizens can party in an urban environment?
Who has suggested anything that would cause you to ask this question?
 
Old 05-09-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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I agree, but the attitude I sometimes see here on C-D from a few Atlanta residents really pisses me off. No wonder the City of Atlanta can't seem to do a lot of things right ... many of its citizens expect seem to expect complete incompetence, murders in the streets, aggressive panhandling, etc., as par for the course for any big city. Like Atlanta is that large...

Besides, it sounds like this might be a bit more than what one would normally expect to see after an event.
I guess you are referring to those of us who are more realistic about such things...it isn't low expectations, but a reality-based conciousness. Having lived in and visited large cities throughout the U.S., Atlanta IS that large and has the same issues as other large cities - and has plenty of harsh critics on the bandwagon just like they do.

Why does a thread like this always have to be an argument? Some people will never think Atlanta can do anything competent, while others are more realistic in our expectations due to experiences in and knowledge of other cities. But it doesn't have to be an "I'm right - you're wrong" situation.
 
Old 05-09-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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What gives one group the right to decide how their fellow citizens can party in an urban environment?
Your rights end where my rights begin.

Loud noise, nasty trash, defilement of public property, all these are reasons the rest of us can "decide" how citizens CONDUCT themsevles in A PUBLIC environment.

Folks want to party, OK. But make a mess, take responsibility for it. Or is taking responsibity an unfair request?
 
Old 05-09-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: International Spacestation
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Oh give me a break. Why don't you just pull the card? Well, you already did anyway, because everyone knows what you mean.

The different standard comes from the fact that this was a free street festival vs. a paid-admission concert. Everyone expects there to be **** and beer after an outdoor concert. The crowd at concerts is going to be 95% young people. Neither can be said with a festival. The same reactions would have been seen if this happened after Dogwood.
I didnt see any beer at all at the Auburn situation, lots of water & soda, but no way people would vomit off that stuff. I left at about 7pm & it was packed & it wasnt all one race saw a little bit of everything.
 
Old 05-09-2011, 01:07 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
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The problem with this mess is that it isn't just garbage or urine puddles, it's a layer of black sludge that blankets two+ blocks worth of Auburn Ave (and much of the surrounding sidewalks). Cleaning this up is going to require more than just a street sweeper and one of those vacuum buggies the Ambassador Force rides around in. The street pavers, which are usually a light brown/grey color, are now black as tar. To bring this street back to the way it was pre-festival will require, at the very least, a lot of power washing and chemicals.
OK people, if anyone actually read this, then it should be apparent that this is NOT just your typical trash that takes place after any sort of urban festival. So the accusations and finger-pointing needs to stop since it's pretty apparent that no one knows exactly where this mess is coming from.

Of course, just by the mere fact that this is happening in a particular part of Atlanta was certain to bring certain people out from under rocks and such.
 
Old 05-09-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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I just drove by there within the last hour and...

it looks like nothing even happened there this weekend. In fact, it is cleaner than it usually is.
I rest my case.
 
Old 05-09-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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Do you think if this festival had been held in Decatur or Roswell or Athens you'd hear folks complaining about a little clean up? The fact is in an urban environment people have the right to party whether a given individual approves of it or not. When people party there will be folks who have to pee or throw up and they don't always have the time or inclination to look for a bathroom. And you can't force people to use trashcans by simply putting them out there. Is somebody supposed to walk around holding an empty cup or food wrapper until they find a trashcan?
i know the decaturites are proactive and would have made a plan to clean up after the event.

i went over there today---tight security at the library--all they would say is--'we have a lot of people walking around and things happen'. Proactive--if you know what could happen be prepared --i am certain that is not a new idea. that is what they do--everyone stays 'focused' on his/her mission--of course, the shortcoming is--if you aren't completely certain where a branch of government is located --noone seems to know --go to City Hall--they will tell you if you want to walk around and climb the stairs. if you live in a 'province' this is at times, inconvenient but if it is important that is what you will do.
 
Old 05-09-2011, 01:26 PM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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I just drove by there within the last hour and...

it looks like nothing even happened there this weekend. In fact, it is cleaner than it usually is.

Better luck next time trolls.
Well how about that. The likely cause of the aforementioned mess was no different than what occurs during any other street festival. Particular when there is no rain which we haven't had in almost a week.
 
Old 05-09-2011, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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What gives one group the right to decide how their fellow citizens can party in an urban environment?
Existing laws and regulations? What makes you think you're immune from that?
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