Home Depot stands up to anti-gay group (how much, living)

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Heidi60

It might be helpful to read the entire article.

He was being sarcastic. He was actually supporting the premise of the article--that the sheep (like humans) are not choosing to be gay.

[stan4]

I want to hear about the trauma I suffered...should be fascinating.

[cabasse]

ditto on that. had a perfectly normal childhood, my dad coached my t-ball team one year, played all the sports (albeit somewhat badly, was just on the geekier side) and still to this day nobody knows i'm actually gay unless i say something.

some people can never admit that their viewpoint isn't right, not even just a little bit. maybe you suffered some kind of trauma that made you stubbornly foolish to a fault?

[atlantagreg30127]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

The headline of this thread is biased. Demanding HD not fund a gay pride event is not "anti-gay". It's simply standing up for 2,000 years of Western values.

For the record, "Western Values" haven't been around for 2000 years. And they also included the practice of slavery not too long ago, as well as not allowing women to vote, killing Native Americans for their land... the list goes on.

[BringBackCobain]

Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture
Ryan D. Johnson
AllPsych Journal

Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture in AllPsych Journal

Many different theories can be found regarding the root of homosexuality, as far back historically as Ancient Greece. The current debate is whether or not homosexuality is a result of nature: a person's environment and surroundings, or of his biology and genetics. The debate endures because both sides have the ability to create a scientific environment to support their cause.

Cambridge Journal of Biosocial Science

Cambridge Journals Online - Abstract

There is an abundance of data suggesting that male homosexuals and paedophiles report having experienced more sexual abuse (however defined) in childhood (CSA) than do heterosexual controls. The question revolves round the interpretation of these data. Many (though not all) of these studies are correlational and thus subject to the usual qualifications concerning such data. However, there are grounds for supposing that some of the reports are veridical, and there is support from a longitudinal study reporting a small but significant increase in paedophilia in adulthood following CSA. To summarize: most boys who experience CSA do not later develop into homosexuals or paedophiles. However, the available evidence suggests that a few do so as a result of the abuse.

Culture, Trauma, and Wellness: A Comparison of Heterosexual and Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Two-Spirit Native Americans.
Balsam, Kimberly F.; Huang, Bu; Fieland, Karen C.; Simoni, Jane M.; Walters, Karina L.
Cultural Diversity and Ethnic Minority Psychology

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cdp/10/3/287/

In a community-based sample of urban American Indian and Alaska Native adults, 25 lesbian, gay, bisexual, and two-spirit participants were compared with 154 heterosexual participants with respect to sociodemographic characteristics, Native, cultural participation, trauma, physical and mental health, and substance use. Compared with their heterosexual counterparts, two-spirit participants reported higher rates of childhood physical abuse and more historical trauma in their families, higher levels of psychological symptoms, and more mental health service utilization.

Does incest cause homosexuality?
Cameron, Paul; Cameron, Kirk
Psychological Reports

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1996-20205-001

Examined the relationship between homosexuality and childhood incest using data from a random sample of 5,182 adults from 6 US metropolitan areas. Incest was disproportionately reported by both male and female bisexuals and homosexuals. 148 gays (7.7% of Ss) reported 50% of same-sex (SM) and 22% of opposite-sex (OS) incestuous experiences, and 69% of SM and 3% of OS sexual experiences with other relatives. 88 lesbians (3% of Ss) reported 33% of SM incest and 9% of OS incest and 17% of SM and 13% of OS sexual experiences with other relatives. 12% of 98 male homosexuals vs 0.8% of 1,224 male heterosexuals with a brother reported brother–brother incest. Results support the hypothesis that homosexuality may be learned, since homosexuals do not produce children at sustainable levels and the incidence of homosexuality varies as a function of social factors. It is concluded that incest cannot be excluded as a significant basis for homosexuality.

In any case, the most popular theory is that homosexuality is caused by both environment and genetics.

Nature/nurture: reflections on approaches to the study of homosexuality

Nature/nurture: reflections on approaches to the s... [J Homosex. 1984] - PubMed result

There is understandable apprehension by many people towards claims that biology plays a significant role in the etiology of homosexuality. These worries should not be allowed to deter any such work on sexual orientation. It is argued that the only proper way to evaluate biological analyses is against the full background of Darwinian evolutionary theory. Moral issues pertaining to biological research on homosexuality are addressed. Finally, it is urged that both biological and environmental factors be considered in rendering a true picture of homosexuality.

[BringBackCobain]

Originally Posted by atlantagreg30127

For the record, "Western Values" haven't been around for 2000 years.

Western values = Judeo-Christian values. So yeah, they have.

And they also included the practice of slavery not too long ago, as well as not allowing women to vote, killing Native Americans for their land... the list goes on.

Western values = Judeo-Christian values. Judeo-Christian values have never condoned slavery or murder.

[Bideshi]

The CEOs remark about "standing firm against discrimination" makes me wonder if he'd fund an event affirming traditional heterosexual marriage?

[Cameron H]

Originally Posted by cabasse

some people can never admit that their viewpoint isn't right, not even just a little bit. maybe you suffered some kind of trauma that made you stubbornly foolish to a fault?

This is the empirically tested Crazification Factor that afflicts precisely 27% of the U.S. population:

Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Bat**** crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.

The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.

[BringBackCobain]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

The CEOs remark about "standing firm against discrimination" makes me wonder if he'd fund an event affirming traditional heterosexual marriage?

Traditional heterosexual marriage must be destroyed at all costs.

[K-SawDude]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

Western values = Judeo-Christian values. Judeo-Christian values have never condoned slavery or murder.

Are you freaking kidding me?

Christianity and slavery

OF COURSE certain groups of Christians have condoned slavery, often basing their ideas on supposedly Biblical support. There is a long tradition of this in the West, even well before the U.S. existed.

At the same time, other Christians looked to the Bible to argue against slavery.

As for your insistence that "there is no gay gene," "gays are just choosing to be gay," "becoming gay is only environmental," etc. etc.

You are seriously, SERIOUSLY misreading sexuality studies to come to that conclusion.

If you're honestly assessing the research, there is evidence that homosexuality is both derived from nature/instinct and nurture. Some folks are more pre-disposed to be gay from birth, and their sexuality will develop in different ways depending on environmental factors. (Same goes for heterosexuals.)

This is no way equals "homosexuality is all a choice." Pretty much all biological science of late converges around the notion of genes + environmentally induced genetic expression. You can't expect reasonable folks to just buy your claim that "it's all choice/enviroment"; it's far too simplistic of an explanation. And you should know this if you did, in fact, take a formal class on sexuality studies (unless it was one of those "Let's convert the gays" church classes).