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Old 07-16-2011, 08:29 PM
 
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I don't get why people say our school system is broken. We do great in international tests. We have an extremely productive economy. All evidence points to our schools being solid at worst.

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I saw a report the other day that 300 million Chinese citizens are learning standard English. If they can learn it in China, surely our own kids can handle it.
As I've been reading your posts, I can't quite tell whether or not they are tongue-in-cheek.

Obviously, our Chinese-American students are passing English tests with flying colors, so what is the point of your post?
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Old 07-16-2011, 08:39 PM
 
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Obviously, our Chinese-American students are passing English tests with flying colors, so what is the point of your post?
My point is that if hundreds of millions of people around the globe can master English there's no reason kids here in APS can't do so too.
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Old 07-16-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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My point is that if hundreds of millions of people around the globe can master English there's no reason kids here in APS can't do so too.
But kids are doing well in APS and throughout our country. Our PISA scores rocked.
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Old 07-16-2011, 09:47 PM
 
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But kids are doing well in APS and throughout our country. Our PISA scores rocked.
Well, that sounds great! I Where are the PISA scores for APS?

If APS kids are knocking it out of the park, you have to wonder what all the cheating was about. However, that may explain why the dropout rate in APS is so high -- if these kids have already nailed it by age 15, they may feel like it's a waste of time to stick around for the next few years.
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Old 07-16-2011, 10:32 PM
 
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Aries is hardly apologising for the bullcrap that came out of Dr. Hall's administration. He is simply reinforcing a point of view that I also hold that America's approach to public education for ALL of its children is broken.

Why is it so hard to contemplate that a person can criticize the bad actors in a situation and at the same time criticize the system that enables those bad actors? It's not much different than how people criticized the antics of segregationist politicans during Jim Crow, but focused on the bigger picture of reforming the whole political & social system of the south & America in general.

It is possible to do both, you know. Aries has also pointed out some good solutions to the problems.

Interesting enough, out of the 28 pages of material I've read on this topic by far, I have yet to hear any contructive solutions from the anti-Hall/anti-APS camp on this particular thread...and lord knows I've asked for some.

This thread by far has been nothing more than the typical anti-Atlanta bashathon I've grown used to observing since being a member of city-data. Quite frankly it's depressing, and I can see why so many people that I have befriended over the last 2 years on this site have fallen off.

I'm still waiting for the solutions...but I'm not gonna hold my breath, that's for sure.
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Old 07-16-2011, 10:35 PM
 
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I don't get why people say our school system is broken. We do great in international tests. We have an extremely productive economy. All evidence points to our schools being solid at worst.



As I've been reading your posts, I can't quite tell whether or not they are tongue-in-cheek.

Obviously, our Chinese-American students are passing English tests with flying colors, so what is the point of your post?
Good post.

Everyone should peruse this blog/these articles pertaing to to global education:

Yong Zhao » Blog

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Old 07-16-2011, 10:49 PM
 
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If APS kids are knocking it out of the park, you have to wonder what all the cheating was about.
Maybe it's a cultural thing.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:01 PM
 
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Yong Zhao » Blog Archive » Ditch Testing: Lessons from the Cheating Scandal in Atlanta (Part 1)
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:02 PM
 
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Yong Zhao » Blog Archive » Ditch Testing: Lessons from the Atlanta Cheating Scandal (Part 2): Not An Anomaly
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:05 PM
 
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Yong Zhao » Blog Archive » Ditch Testing: Lessons from the Atlanta Scandal (Part 3): Human Nature?
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