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Old 07-06-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: East Cobb
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I never put very much faith in test scores. I like to meet my child's teachers and the administrators. I'm a pretty good judge of character and generally take my measure that way. DeKalb frightens me not because I don't think my child is getting a good education, but because I see myself surrounded by kids who I know AREN'T getting a good education. Those are the kids that in a few years will be gunning for my kid. And that scares the life out of me.
Sad to say, this is a very important point. I really don't get the parents who appear content to nurture their child in a private school or home school setting, while expressing withering contempt for public education and its students. To my mind, when their child grows up, they'll be working, living and voting alongside all those despised graduates of the public schools. If the public school graduates are just a bunch of thugs who despise middle class values, it doesn't bode well for our private school graduate, does it?

This is why it seems to me a no-brainer that other peoples' children are everyone's problem.
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Old 07-06-2011, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Well, I think this is going to get uglier. If you look at some of the results statewide, it's almost certain that other school districts are fudging the numbers. Just have look outside Atlanta.

This is certainly driving me towards private school. I no longer place any faith whatsoever in test scores of a school, there are other metrics I suppose I'll use. And I also suspect this is a national problem, to some degree.

Hall may have done wrong, very wrong, but I suspect there are lots of people very concerned with what she might have to say...
There are hundreds of public school districts. We're talking about one of those here. I'm not sure it makes much sense to map their actions to other districts, especially given how unique the City of Atlanta is in this state.
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Old 07-06-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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alinka, yes I saw it. Jackson cheated. One of the shining stars. And while they said no cheating at Brandon, they found some evidence of problems at Morningside too. It is sad. Very sad.
The problem with AYP is that high performing schools must continue to improve. When there is very little room for improvement, that is extremely difficult to do, but the pressure remains. It is an illogical system.
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Old 07-06-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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Have they released the names of schools that are involved? Just curious.
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Old 07-06-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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Have they released the names of schools that are involved? Just curious.
The AJC has a map with a list of schools at the bottom.

A system-wide scandal*| ajc.com
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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You must be a real estate agent, or perhaps an APS teacher??
LOL
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Old 07-06-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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CNN is covering this now...another black eye for the city
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Old 07-06-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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I watched/heard the report on CNN this morning.

I have no problem with the national coverage--however, people need to realize that Atlanta is just the tip of the iceberg and we really, in a way, should be proud that there was such a thorough investigation here. Hopefully, this Atlanta scandal will uncover the widespread cheating that is happening in the test-crazed, education "misinfored" atmosphere.

More importantly, CNN got it wrong this morning. They reported that 80% of the APS schools had fraudulent test scores/cheating--WRONG. Correct answer--80% of the schools that were suspect/investigated were found to have fraudulent test scores/cheating. This is a huge difference.

Less than of the APS schools had fraudulent test scores/cheating. I hope CNN got it right later in the day.
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Old 07-06-2011, 02:55 PM
 
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Still it's close to half of the schools. That's a big problem.

And I think we should be embarrassed that it got to this point. I'm pessimistic though because honestly, for as long as I have been alive, we've been talking and complaining about public education. I doubt it can be fixed because of teachers' unions and other political forces that will fight to mitigate any strong measures. There are a lot of "chefs" that think they have the solution. Ultimately, the University System of Georgia will eventually give students the education they needed.

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Old 07-06-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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I'm not from Atlanta but this story is pretty big. It's hit Drudge report with a few links. Here's a few down below

Investigation into APS cheating finds unethical behavior across every level *| ajc.com

America's biggest teacher and principal cheating scandal unfolds in Atlanta - CSMonitor.com

If you read the book Freakonomics it illustrates a cheating scandal in Chicago. But instead of helping it hurt the students instead. Say you have 3rd graders..the numbers are skewed and nearly everyone goes on to 4th grade. But not everyone is on that level...or on 3rd because they weren't really tested.

Beverly Hall is the superintendent a 2009 Superintendent of the Year has retired due to this.

This might be national news tonight... The real concerns I would say would be what are employers and places of higher ed going to think about the graduates from the district?

This is going to take quite a bit of time to clean up.
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