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Old 07-31-2011, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Also the reverse, 100% of liberals have zero tolerance for anything other than their own views.
STOP. Just, stop. You're lying and you're trolling. Keep talking like this and I'm gonna put you on ignore. If you wanna reach across the aisle and try to influence me and others who think somewhat like me, then put aside the childish insults, make a legitimate point, and back it up with evidence. Because I have no patience for this kind of BS.

Now, you were saying?

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Show me in the Constitution where it says anything about it being the govts job is to "balance out" society. The govts job is to enforce the rule of law- there is no allowance for thievery because one has more than another.

My neighbor sure is a handsome guy. Much more so than me. The govt should "balance that out" for me, lest I get any ideas.....
No, that's not what I said. I said quite clearly that individual rights vs. society's rights must be held in balance. This is an established precedent--an important point, because enforcement of our laws is heavily based on precedent in our common law system.

God, how did we get off on this? I thought the OP related to car break-ins in a certain part of town.
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Old 07-31-2011, 09:20 PM
 
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I believe in the separation of church and state. A WIDE separation.
I do too.

All I'm saying is that people often criticize those of us with a liberal social perspective, yet one of the most famous and revered men who ever lived was a liberal.

And for what it's worth, many of us social progressives are fiscal conservatives.
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Old 07-31-2011, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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STOP. Just, stop. You're lying and you're trolling. Keep talking like this and I'm gonna put you on ignore. If you wanna reach across the aisle and try to influence me and others who think somewhat like me, then put aside the childish insults, make a legitimate point, and back it up with evidence. Because I have no patience for this kind of BS.

Now, you were saying?



No, that's not what I said. I said quite clearly that individual rights vs. society's rights must be held in balance. This is an established precedent--an important point, because enforcement of our laws is heavily based on precedent in our common law system.

God, how did we get off on this? I thought the OP related to car break-ins in a certain part of town.
Yea, I'm familiar with states vs individual rights. Like with FOS, it's not ok to yell fire in a crowded theatre. This is completely different.

For example. If I came up with the greatest X. Everybody has to have it. I'm the only one who can make it. The govts job is not to take my profits away, excluding some reasonable tax rate, and give them to others. Thats socialism or worse, communism. Their job is to protect my patent, and ensure I'm conducting my business legally. Otherwise, their job is to stay the he'll out of the way.

Competition will ensure my profits are eroded to a reasonable level sooner or later.

Warren Buffett and bill gates do not owe me, you or the homeless guy one
dime. It's also not the govts job to reclaim their monies and spread them around. Mother nature should be the model. Let the chips fall where they may. It's how the system was designed.
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Old 07-31-2011, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I do too.

All I'm saying is that people often criticize those of us with a liberal social perspective, yet one of the most famous and revered men who ever lived was a liberal.

And for what it's worth, many of us social progressives are fiscal conservatives.
I have zero interest in using Jesus as a foil for against liberal policies. I worship the markets and the rights of the individual above ALL else.
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Old 07-31-2011, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Yea, I'm familiar with states vs individual rights. Like with FOS, it's not ok to yell fire in a crowded theatre. This is completely different.

For example. If I came up with the greatest X. Everybody has to have it. I'm the only one who can make it. The govts job is not to take my profits away, excluding some reasonable tax rate, and give them to others. Thats socialism or worse, communism. Their job is to protect my patent, and ensure I'm conducting my business legally. Otherwise, their job is to stay the he'll out of the way.

Competition will ensure my profits are eroded to a reasonable level sooner or later.

Warren Buffett and bill gates do not owe me, you or the homeless guy one
dime. It's also not the govts job to reclaim their monies and spread them around. Mother nature should be the model. Let the chips fall where they may. It's how the system was designed.
Thank you--these are some points I can actually address.

IIRC, this whole tangent got started with an earlier post claiming that in the grand scheme of things, it really isn't much more than a major inconvenience for a reasonably well-off person to have his or her car stolen. I thought that comment was good fodder for debate, but unfortunately, the thread quickly went south instead.

But let's get back to the OP. My question is, how do we significantly reduce the car theft rate in Buckhead? My first instinct says that we need a bigger police presence. But that comes straight out of the city's coffers, and city budgets aren't exactly in the best shape right now. So how do we do it, then? More lighting? Find the specific locations where cars are getting stolen, and have the APS attempt to work with local businesses or even residents to put up more security cameras? More bait cars? Remember, I'm talking short-term solutions, so although better education, better living conditions for the poor, etc. are proven to help, those wouldn't take effect until years down the road.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:25 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Also the reverse, 100% of liberals have zero tolerance for anything other than their own views.
Extremists rarely compromise. That applies to both liberals and conservatives.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:30 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Its better just not to have things anyway. I know it sounds funny or weird, but if you dont own, low lives cant take it away from you. Normal people have normal things to do, Bad guys are bad all the time. Everything you buy nice there is a change for A Towns Knucklehead Crew to surface. There are ways to keep Low Lives from taking your stuff, for me the best way is to disguise what is important to me as a school book or dirty stuffed animal. Ive grown to expect a robbery everyday when I am at work, might as well be prepared...but thats just me.
That's why such people are kept away (or at least kept out of view for the most part) by force in most modern societies. You **** with others, and you will be ****ed with.

You speak of a communist utopia. Nice concept if it would work, but the low life types you mention would ruin it.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Its not about the ride or insurance. Its about taking advantage of the weak or in my case, the perceived weak. I wouldn't drive a nice car unless the other neighbors around had a nice and my car blends in. I like buying things ONE TIME. If the OTHER person has no means then do they really deserve to own mine?? It just best not to own nicer things when living around "regular people" One thing I pride myself in is my ability to blend in or look poor, but sometimes even that is not enough when someone with no job is studying you.
In most areas of the metro, regular people are perfectly capable of owning nice things. Sounds like the area you live in is not typical.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Originally Posted by tigers84 View Post
Warren Buffett and bill gates do not owe me, you or the homeless guy one
dime. It's also not the govts job to reclaim their monies and spread them around. Mother nature should be the model. Let the chips fall where they may. It's how the system was designed.
Are you saying that if I'm strong enough to take from you, and strong enough to keep what I take, that what I have taken is mine?

Isn't that the law of the jungle? Might makes right?
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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But let's get back to the OP. My question is, how do we significantly reduce the car theft rate in Buckhead? My first instinct says that we need a bigger police presence. But that comes straight out of the city's coffers, and city budgets aren't exactly in the best shape right now. So how do we do it, then? More lighting? Find the specific locations where cars are getting stolen, and have the APS attempt to work with local businesses or even residents to put up more security cameras? More bait cars? Remember, I'm talking short-term solutions, so although better education, better living conditions for the poor, etc. are proven to help, those wouldn't take effect until years down the road.
Teach people to not leave their cars unlocked. Offer tracking tech to citizens so cars that are taken can be more easily tracked and recovered. Cameras are always good, since those can help identify those who are stealing or vandalizing. Maybe ensure that those who are caught after doing such crimes aren't let out of the system again in a few days or months.

Maybe Atlanta needs to consult with other cities in the metro to see what they are doing. The fact that people are able to do this and aren't getting caught blows my mind. WTF is the APD paid for?
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