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Old 07-26-2011, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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We may be behind Dallas and Houston in this area, but we absolutely blow Miami out of the water when it comes to anything Asian.

Wouldn't it seem pretty logical that Dallas & Houston's growth in any category would be out ahead of just about anywhere right now? Those two are basically the jobs engine for the entire country currently.

Give credit where credit is due - we have become one of the centers of Korean life in the U.S., and it shows no sign of slowing down.
As to point one, youre absolutely correct, and I pointed that out.

As to the second point, kind of. Asians still accounted more toward the total growth in the other two than Atlanta. Meaning that if you broke the growth down by race, Asian made up a higher percentage in Dallas and Houston vs. Atlanta.

To point three, absolutely no doubt about it. Atlanta is definately becoming the number one for Koreans in the South and I dont see it stopping. Atlanta has every right to be extremely proud of that! Its going to be similar to the Indian community in Dallas and the Vietnamese community in Houston.

Atlanta is a wonderful city with great thing coming its way!
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:23 AM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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Here is Atlanta's growth since 1980:

US2010

Asian population in 1980: 11,403
Asian population in 1990: 51,051
Asian population in 2000: 149,753
Asian population in 2010: 279,112

Here is Dallas' growth since 1980:

US2010

Asian population in 1980: 23,446
Asian population in 1990: 94,297
Asian population in 2000: 217,287
Asian population in 2010: 377,958

Here is Houston's growth since 1980:

US2010

Asian population in 1980: 50,732
Asian population in 1990: 126,971
Asian population in 2000: 247,538
Asian population in 2010: 417,415

The data shows clearly that it has nothing to do with having a "head start".
Actually, that's exactly what the data shows. Look at the change in Asian population between 1980 and 1990. That was the period in which the relocation of Southeast Asian refugees from Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam was at it's zenith. The reason that Dallas and Houston have a higher Asian population is that more refugees from Southeast Asia were relocated to those two cities rather than Atlanta by a significant factor. Had it been the other way around, then Atlanta would likely have a higher Asian population.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Actually, that's exactly what the data shows. Look at the change in Asian population between 1980 and 1990. That was the period in which the majority of Southeast Asian refugees from Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam were resettled was at it's zenith. The reason that Dallas and Houston have a higher Asian population is that more refugees from Southeast Asia were relocated those two cities rather than Atlanta by a significant factor. Had it been the other way around, then Atlanta would likely have a higher Asian population.
No, it isnt. Dallas only had 11,000 additon Asians in 1980, but it has almost 100,000 more now. Even if you disregard the growth in the 80's, they both would still have a larger Asian population. Look at the breakdown by decade:

Atlanta:

Between 1980-90: 39,648
Between 1990-00: 98,702
Between 2000-10: 129,359

Dallas:

Between 1980-90: 70,851
Between 1990-00: 122,990
Between 2000-10: 160,671

Houston:

Between 1980-90: 76,239
Between 1990-00: 120,567
Between 2000-10: 169,877

I understand the arguement, and if Atlanta was gaining the same number of Asians after that as the other two, I might buy it. However, even if Dallas (for example) gained no Asians between 1980-90, it would still have more Asians than Atlanta.

I want to make it clear again that I am not trying to attack Atlanta or make insignificant the Asian community of the area or the growth. I love Atlanta and it has an very fast growing Asian community. What I am contesting is the notion that Atlanta is an "Asian Mecca" which I do not think there is evidence to support that. A center for Korean life and culture for the reigion? Absolutely. A diverse city with a booming Asian community? Absoultely. An Asian Mecca with the likes of LA, San Francisco, and New York? No way.

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Old 07-26-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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No, it isnt. Dallas only had 11,000 additon Asians in 1980, but it has almost 100,000 more now. Even if you disregard the growth in the 80's, they both would still have a larger Asian population. Look at the breakdown by decade:

Atlanta:

Between 1980-90: 39,648
Between 1990-00: 98,702
Between 2000-10: 129,359

Dallas:

Between 1980-90: 70,851
Between 1990-00: 122,990
Between 2000-10: 160,671

Houston:

Between 1980-90: 76,239
Between 1990-00: 120,567
Between 2000-10: 169,877

I understand the arguement, and if Atlanta was gaining the same number of Asians after that as the other two, I might buy it. However, even if Dallas (for example) gained no Asians between 1980-90, it would still have more Asians than Atlanta.
It really all comes down to whether you look at percentage growth or raw number growth as more important. The idea is that a "head start" is important is because populations tend to follow exponential growth patterns, rather than linear ones.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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It really all comes down to whether you look at percentage growth or raw number growth as more important. The idea is that a "head start" is important is because populations tend to follow exponential growth patterns, rather than linear ones.
I think the idea of a head start is irrelevant because I dont think either city had one. You could argue that Houston may have had a little one (even though I dont think it did), but Dallas definately did not in any way. The reasons why Asians came to a particular city dont matter, what matters is that they came.

But anyway, fair enough. Lets look at that:

Atlanta:

Between 1980-90: 3.8% of metro areas total growth
Between 1990-00: 8.4% of total growth
Between 2000-10: 12.7% of total growth

Dallas:

Between 1980-90: 6.9% of total growth
Between 1990-00: 10.5% of total growth
Between 2000-10: 13.3% of total growth

Houston:

Between 1980-90: 12.5% of total growth
Between 1990-00: 12.7% of total growth
Between 2000-10: 13.6% of total growth

The growth patters of all three seem to be similar. The numbers for Houston are higher in percentage because Houston did not gain nearly as many people between 1980-2000 as Atlanta and Dallas did.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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I'm talking about percentage increase in Asians, not percentage of total growth accounted for by Asians.

But still, the percentages are converging so I think Atlanta will have a smaller Asian population than Houston and Dallas for the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:29 AM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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No, it isnt. Dallas only had 11,000 additon Asians in 1980, but it has almost 100,000 more now. Even if you disregard the growth in the 80's, they both would still have a larger Asian population. Look at the breakdown by decade:

Atlanta:

Between 1980-90: 39,648
Between 1990-00: 98,702
Between 2000-10: 129,359

Dallas:

Between 1980-90: 70,851
Between 1990-00: 122,990
Between 2000-10: 160,671

Houston:

Between 1980-90: 76,239
Between 1990-00: 120,567
Between 2000-10: 169,877

I understand the arguement, and if Atlanta was gaining the same number of Asians after that as the other two, I might buy it. However, even if Dallas (for example) gained no Asians between 1980-90, it would still have more Asians than Atlanta.
I'm not sure where you are summing all this up because it doesn't make sense. Both Houston and Dallas had more than double the growth in the 1980s. Those people in turn had children (and immigrants always have higher amounts of children) in the 90s and 00s that led to the higher population as well as in-migration and immigration.

Also, how do you figure that if Dallas had zero Asian growth in the 1980s it would be larger than Atlanta? That also makes no sense.

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Old 07-26-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Also, how do you figure that if Dallas had zero Asian growth in the 1980s it would be larger than Atlanta? That also makes no sense.
Take all of Dallas' Asian growth between 1980 and 1990 and get rid of it while adding the growth from 1990 to 2010.

Then take Atlanta's entire Asian growth from 1980-2010.

Dallas had more Asian growth from 1990-2010 than Atlanta did from 1980-2010. Thats why I dont buy it.

Either way, this thread is about whether or not Atlanta is an Asian Mecca which I dont believe for a moment (niether Dallas or Houston are either so its not about that). I can only see LA, SF, NYC, Honolulu, and maybe DC fitting that. Atlanta is a large center for Korean culture in the South. That's where it stands out.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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But still, the percentages are converging so I think Atlanta will have a smaller Asian population than Houston and Dallas for the foreseeable future.
Thats my point.

I certainly dont want to take anything away from Atlanta. Its one of the few places I could actually be happy living and the Asian community is booming. I just dont see how it can be an "Asian Mecca" if its not even out preforming its peers in Asian growth or Asian in migration. Even then, to be classified as a Mecca it would need to be one of the very top few in the nation. As of now, no city in the South fits that bill (minus DC if you count it as south).
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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The ATL is clearly an Asian Mecca. The Asian population here is growing like wildfire and it's quality growth.
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