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Old 08-22-2011, 05:39 AM
 
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I would avoid Ponce at all cost. Your son wouldn't last a week commuting on that road. The drivers are crazy.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:34 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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I've noticed that scooters have become very popular in the Emory/city of Decatur area. There are plenty of secondary roads around there that are less traveled by cars and afford safer driving for two-wheeled vehicles. I would be a little reluctant to get out on the major thoroughfares, but for traveling around campus and the adjacent neighborhoods, I'd be fine.
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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I suppose we should all drive tanks.
That's the idea that sold a lot of Hummers before oil spiked.
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Old 08-26-2011, 06:19 PM
 
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This thread started in 07...just sayin...

I do want a scooter though.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:46 AM
 
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I would avoid Ponce at all cost. Your son wouldn't last a week commuting on that road. The drivers are crazy.
I would take Ponce to and from work every day if it were faster than North Ave. And I would be smiling all the way.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:48 AM
 
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That's the idea that sold a lot of Hummers before oil spiked.
It's pretty obvious from this thread that idea is thriving. People would just rather repeat what they've heard than think.
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Decatur
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Take a cab
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Old 09-12-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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That's true that a small wheel maneuver's better, but depending on speed, you might not have time to react. If you hit a pot hole, a big wheel handles it better than a small one. You can't change the laws of physics.
If you don't have time to react, you are doing it wrong :-).

It is a riders responsibility to be in control and aware of the road hazards (mobile and immobile) at all times. This is basic rider safety stuff. Yes, a pothole can mess up a scooter, it can also mess up a car. We can all pull out stories about worst case, reality is, your argument is valid, small wheels *can* have issues with some types of potholes. At the same time, a 4 inch wide tire can readily avoid 99% of all the potholes in the roads when ridden sensibly.

I have nearly 50k miles on scooters in and around Atlanta over the last 5 years.

I will categorically tell you that riding the scooter is not the danger. Bad drivers and bad rider habits are. Potholes are not an issue. Road Rage is not an issue. The issues are simple, people driving/riding too fast for conditions, and cell phones. Every time a driver tells me how 'dangerous' riding that scooter is, I have to bite my tongue.

The likelihood of an accident is the same, scooter, motorcycle or car. The damage to a driver is the only thing that changes, and the severity of motorcycle and scooter accidents is directly related to the size and weight of the vehicle that is involved. Scooter tangles with 6000lb SUV, and things are much worse than if a scooter tangles with another scooter.

Given that, I would say that the real 'dangerous' vehicles are the 6000lb suburban school buses that are being used as 'around town' cars, with their 8mpg and single driver who is chatting on the cell phone.

Then again, maybe I am a little biased.
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Old 09-12-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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If you don't have time to react, you are doing it wrong :-).

It is a riders responsibility to be in control and aware of the road hazards (mobile and immobile) at all times. This is basic rider safety stuff. Yes, a pothole can mess up a scooter, it can also mess up a car. We can all pull out stories about worst case, reality is, your argument is valid, small wheels *can* have issues with some types of potholes. At the same time, a 4 inch wide tire can readily avoid 99% of all the potholes in the roads when ridden sensibly.

I have nearly 50k miles on scooters in and around Atlanta over the last 5 years.

I will categorically tell you that riding the scooter is not the danger. Bad drivers and bad rider habits are. Potholes are not an issue. Road Rage is not an issue. The issues are simple, people driving/riding too fast for conditions, and cell phones. Every time a driver tells me how 'dangerous' riding that scooter is, I have to bite my tongue.

The likelihood of an accident is the same, scooter, motorcycle or car. The damage to a driver is the only thing that changes, and the severity of motorcycle and scooter accidents is directly related to the size and weight of the vehicle that is involved. Scooter tangles with 6000lb SUV, and things are much worse than if a scooter tangles with another scooter.

Given that, I would say that the real 'dangerous' vehicles are the 6000lb suburban school buses that are being used as 'around town' cars, with their 8mpg and single driver who is chatting on the cell phone.

Then again, maybe I am a little biased.
Being in control and aware of your surroundings is the responsibility of all vehicle drivers. It would be nice if drivers were 100% in assessing conditions. But even the best make a mistake or are distracted at a bad moment. And unfortunately, motorcyclists and scooterists (? ) are more vulnerable if the situation turns bad as there is not outer protection other than their clothing and helmet. I ride a bicycle and it's difficult keeping track of the cars and the road condition at the same time. While it doesn't happen often, I occasionally do hit a bad spot in the road. I'm thankful for the large wheel although it has cost me a tire repair or even a new wheel. Scooters can achieve even higher speeds but still they must be highly mindful of the traffic which can still be faster. Often it's not speed but difference in vehicle speeds that causes the danger. Add to that those small wheels which don't handle a bad spot on the road as well. 99% avoidance of problems is good but that 1% might have consequences that last a lifetime.
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Old 09-13-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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Being in control and aware of your surroundings is the responsibility of all vehicle drivers. It would be nice if drivers were 100% in assessing conditions. But even the best make a mistake or are distracted at a bad moment. And unfortunately, motorcyclists and scooterists (? ) are more vulnerable if the situation turns bad as there is not outer protection other than their clothing and helmet. I ride a bicycle and it's difficult keeping track of the cars and the road condition at the same time. While it doesn't happen often, I occasionally do hit a bad spot in the road. I'm thankful for the large wheel although it has cost me a tire repair or even a new wheel. Scooters can achieve even higher speeds but still they must be highly mindful of the traffic which can still be faster. Often it's not speed but difference in vehicle speeds that causes the danger. Add to that those small wheels which don't handle a bad spot on the road as well. 99% avoidance of problems is good but that 1% might have consequences that last a lifetime.
As a bicycle rider as well, there is one major difference between a scooter and a bicycle. A scooter is traveling *in* the lane. A bicycle is traveling *beside* a lane. Sure the LAW says the bicycle has the right to the lane, but drivers do not. Outside of the slowest 50cc scooters (and arguably, even they should also be in the lane) a scooter should always be *in* their lane, maintaining gaps and distances that you on your bicycle cannot do. In this position, it is MUCH MUCH easier to monitor road conditions, not too mention the hazards in the tire tracks of the lane are far fewer and larger than those in the gutters where a bicycle lives.

I know you have good intentions, but you seem to be lacking the experience in the saddle of a scooter. As a bicyclist, you really should give it a try. As much as I love my bicycle, I feel *far* safer on the roads on one of my scooters than one either of my bicycles, and I do much of my riding OTP in the land of SUV driving Soccer Mom's armed with Cellphones.
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