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Old 08-28-2011, 10:39 PM
 
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According to the Atlanta Business Chronicle, Chik-fil-A wants to create an urban version of Camp WinShape at Morris Brown. Chik-fil-A wants it to be a complex offering multiple sports, be a community resource to help strengthen families, and provide financial training through Junior Achievement of Georgia. The hope is also to further invigorate the Vine City area. Chik-fil-A also stated that their level of support would be "significant". MB's stadium would be used for the athletic programs.

It's not a done deal though as there are questions of MB's debt and property rights. One group is suing MB in court over debts owed and wants to claim some of MB property including its stadium in exchange for $13.7 million of debt. Their law suit alleges MB has all but ceased operations, its buildings are stripped of fixtures and other valuables. Further they allege the property is overgrown with weeds and the vacant buildings are rapidly deteriorating.

And surprisingly to me, the old Atlanta University can claim much of MB's property. In the early 1900's, MB lost its campus. So the Atlanta University decided to deed property to MB with the stipulation that if MB ever ceased to operate as an institute of higher learning, the property would revert back to Atlanta University or in this case Clark Atlanta U.

One could argue that MB is no longer an institute of higher learning and CAU can make their claim. But this might be the break MB was looking for as Truett Cathy is a billionaire and could bail out MB and take care of MB's mess.

But seeing that MB had yet another brush with institutional death many years ago, they have a legacy of mismanagement. Just close MB down, give it over to Clark Atlanta, and let Cathy and Chik-fil-A go forward with this on a CAU campus. No sense Chik-fil-A throwing good money after bad.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:51 PM
 
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I like the Chick-Fil-A idea a lot. Chick-fil-A eyes Morris Brown for Truett Cathy legacy center - Atlanta Business Chronicle
Then, this could lead to the possibility of MB going on the path to becoming Morris Brown Christian University. A good addition to the AUC. Morris Brown Chrisitian College could also work.


The other option is for Morris Brown (and Clark!) to become public universities:

Morris Brown State University*
Clark State University*


*The articles below reveal how the addition of more public universities would be very beneficial to Georgia and Georgia students (as well as the AUC and Atlanta):
Universities raise bar
Want to get into UGA or Tech? Start planning in middle school. | Get Schooled
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:27 AM
 
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I've always thought GT should buy the property for future expansion.

You could build new dorms or create a satelite campus to house some new majors.

The state of Georgia has a top 5 Engineering school (GT)and attracts some incredible students. Why not try to expand and up the enrollment from the 15,000-ish to 20-25,000 range. This way there is no reason to have to spend the money of establishing new engineering schools at other state colleges.

Why open a college of engineering at UGA when you could expand a top-5 program? To me, that doesn't make sense. UGA's program will be 20+ years away from being nationally recognized. The state of Georgia does a horrible job supporting their state's best universtiy. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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I've always thought GT should buy the property for future expansion.

You could build new dorms or create a satelite campus to house some new majors.
Buy Morris Brown? That would be fraught with political problems of a racial nature. Another HBCU taking over MB would work.

Tech has plenty of space into which to expand if it wants. If they wanted another campus to take over, the best choice would be to reunite with Southern Polytechnic. SPSU already has all the facilities an engineering school would want.

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The state of Georgia has a top 5 Engineering school (GT)and attracts some incredible students. Why not try to expand and up the enrollment from the 15,000-ish to 20-25,000 range. This way there is no reason to have to spend the money of establishing new engineering schools at other state colleges.

Why open a college of engineering at UGA when you could expand a top-5 program? To me, that doesn't make sense. UGA's program will be 20+ years away from being nationally recognized. The state of Georgia does a horrible job supporting their state's best universtiy. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
GT's enrollment is already at 21,000. GT has been expanding its course offerings outside of science and engineering, and encroaching on other schools' turfs. GT offers an Evening MBA for instance. So why not let other schools return the "favor" and offer their own engineering programs.

Besides, GT wants to be elite so it is likely that expanding to suit the needs of students in Georgia will probably lower GT's standards. Let UGA be 2nd tier and Georgia Southern 3rd tier and GT can be the top tier.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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I like the Chick-Fil-A idea a lot. Chick-fil-A eyes Morris Brown for Truett Cathy legacy center - Atlanta Business Chronicle
Then, this could lead to the possibility of MB going on the path to becoming Morris Brown Christian University. A good addition to the AUC. Morris Brown Chrisitian College could also work.


The other option is for Morris Brown (and Clark!) to become public universities:

Morris Brown State University*
Clark State University*


*The articles below reveal how the addition of more public universities would be very beneficial to Georgia and Georgia students (as well as the AUC and Atlanta):
Universities raise bar
Want to get into UGA or Tech? Start planning in middle school. | Get Schooled
We still have plenty of state supported schools to take up the excess. Georgia can't afford to take on any more schools. And I'd think a state supported Morris Brown would have to give up its religious affiliation.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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And I'd think a state supported Morris Brown would have to give up its religious affiliation.
It definitely would.
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:27 PM
 
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Buy Morris Brown? Buy the property and tear that hole to the ground. That would be fraught with political problems of a racial nature. Another HBCU taking over MB would work. ehhh. I'm sure the 50 students or whatever is left at MB will get over it.

Tech has plenty of space into which to expand if it wants. Not really. Bounded on the North by Home Park and Turner, West by Northside Drive, and East by the connector. There are small parcels of land that could be used to add a building here or there, but nothing big. If they wanted another campus to take over, the best choice would be to reunite with Southern Polytechnic. SPSU already has all the facilities an engineering school would want. Again, not advocating doing anything with MB but razing it and using the land. It would be hard to use those buildings for anything in the condition they are in.


GT's enrollment is already at 21,000 including graduate students. There are only 13,000 undergrads. GT has been expanding its course offerings outside of science and engineering, and encroaching on other schools' turfs. Like what? GT offers very few majors and hasn't added anything new in years. GT offers the best Evening MBA in the area. How did they get a top 25 MBA program? They leveraged the GT brand and its reputation to attract top professors. GT skyrocketed up the rankings and is up to 22 in the country in the MBA rankings. Failing to further expand on this reputation does a disservice to the state. So why not let other schools return the "favor" and offer their own engineering programs.

Besides, GT wants to be elite so it is likely that expanding to suit the needs of students in Georgia will probably lower GT's standards. Let UGA be 2nd tier and Georgia Southern 3rd tier and GT can be the top tier. That is a bad way of looking at it. You have world class facilities and a world class reputation that the numbers have shown are only going up. You could easily add 500-1000 undergrads a year for 5 years and not experience any decline in the quality of students. The average math/verbal SAT score for GT last year was 1372. Why not make use of the established GT brand and grow a bit even if the avg SAT scores fall to 1350. In the end THAT would be better utilization of state funds than to start from scratch at a new school.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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Buy Morris Brown? Buy the property and tear that hole to the ground. That would be fraught with political problems of a racial nature. Another HBCU taking over MB would work. ehhh. I'm sure the 50 students or whatever is left at MB will get over it.
It's not the student body that'll weigh in but rather the AU Center, and the Black community in Atlanta and across the country. Tech couldn't demolish a Midtown building because of the preservationist so how would Tech fare trying to buy up and demolish an entire HBCU? (arguably a former HBCU) A CAU merger would be much more acceptable.


Tech has plenty of space into which to expand if it wants. Not really. Bounded on the North by Home Park and Turner, West by Northside Drive, and East by the connector. There are small parcels of land that could be used to add a building here or there, but nothing big. If they wanted another campus to take over, the best choice would be to reunite with Southern Polytechnic. SPSU already has all the facilities an engineering school would want. Again, not advocating doing anything with MB but razing it and using the land. It would be hard to use those buildings for anything in the condition they are in.
I see no value for Tech to have a parcel of land about 2 miles from its main campus in downtown. From Tech's perspective, its not even a desirable location for its students and/or researchers. GT can continue its expansion on the other side of Tech Parkway, in Midtown around the Technology Square area, and even buy out places in Home Park. Maybe develop along 14th Street and move closer to Atlantic Station.

GT's enrollment is already at 21,000 including graduate students. There are only 13,000 undergrads. GT has been expanding its course offerings outside of science and engineering, and encroaching on other schools' turfs. Like what? GT offers very few majors and hasn't added anything new in years. GT offers the best Evening MBA in the area. How did they get a top 25 MBA program? They leveraged the GT brand and its reputation to attract top professors. GT skyrocketed up the rankings and is up to 22 in the country in the MBA rankings. Failing to further expand on this reputation does a disservice to the state.
Techniclly no, Emory has the "best" Evening MBA and Georgia State's Part-time program can compare to Tech's.
At Tech you can get a degree in:
Applied Languages and Intercultural Studies

Economics and International Affairs
Global Economics and Modern Languages
International Affairs and Modern Language

History, Technology, and Society
International Affairs
Public Policy
Tech even has a School of Music

Besides, GT wants to be elite so it is likely that expanding to suit the needs of students in Georgia will probably lower GT's standards. Let UGA be 2nd tier and Georgia Southern 3rd tier and GT can be the top tier. That is a bad way of looking at it. You have world class facilities and a world class reputation that the numbers have shown are only going up. You could easily add 500-1000 undergrads a year for 5 years and not experience any decline in the quality of students. The average math/verbal SAT score for GT last year was 1372. Why not make use of the established GT brand and grow a bit even if the avg SAT scores fall to 1350. In the end THAT would be better utilization of state funds than to start from scratch at a new school.
Well, Tech created its graduate progam in business despite there being other good programs in Atlanta already. Might have been better to focus state funds at the other schools if there was a need for more.

But this really isn't about the need for more engineers, but rather UGA wanting engineering and medicine to make it a truly comprehensive university. Engineering and medicine will bring in huge research bucks for UGA. Georgia Southern was brought along so as to make it not look like this is all about UGA. Now Georgia Southern's program is probably a waste of the state's money.

Tech will be fine in all this. Over 10 years, Tech added about 5,000 students so that's about at the low end of your desired growth projection.

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Old 08-30-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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Buy Morris Brown? Buy the property and tear that hole to the ground. That would be fraught with political problems of a racial nature. Another HBCU taking over MB would work. ehhh. I'm sure the 50 students or whatever is left at MB will get over it.
It's not the student body that'll weigh in but rather the AU Center, and the Black community in Atlanta and across the country. Tech couldn't demolish a Midtown building because of the preservationist so how would Tech fare trying to buy up and demolish an entire HBCU? (arguably a former HBCU) A CAU merger would be much more acceptable. CAU might be a good fit, but are they really in a position to expand when they are searching the couch cushions for money right now too? Sure Jessie Jackson and the Rev. Al will come down and chain themselves to the buildings out of stupidity, but progress is progress.

Tech has plenty of space into which to expand if it wants. Not really. Bounded on the North by Home Park and Turner, West by Northside Drive, and East by the connector. There are small parcels of land that could be used to add a building here or there, but nothing big. If they wanted another campus to take over, the best choice would be to reunite with Southern Polytechnic. SPSU already has all the facilities an engineering school would want. Again, not advocating doing anything with MB but razing it and using the land. It would be hard to use those buildings for anything in the condition they are in.
I see no value for Tech to have a parcel of land about 2 miles from its main campus in downtown. From Tech's perspective, its not even a desirable location for its students and/or researchers. GT can continue its expansion on the other side of Tech Parkway, in Midtown around the Technology Square area, and even buy out places in Home Park. Maybe develop along 14th Street and move closer to Atlantic Station. Cheap land. Secondary benefit would be that it could spur development up and down Northside drive, What is cheaper, land off of Spring Street or land by Morris Brown?

GT's enrollment is already at 21,000 including graduate students. There are only 13,000 undergrads. GT has been expanding its course offerings outside of science and engineering, and encroaching on other schools' turfs. Like what? GT offers very few majors and hasn't added anything new in years. GT offers the best Evening MBA in the area. How did they get a top 25 MBA program? They leveraged the GT brand and its reputation to attract top professors. GT skyrocketed up the rankings and is up to 22 in the country in the MBA rankings. Failing to further expand on this reputation does a disservice to the state.
Techniclly no, Emory has the "best" Evening MBA and Georgia State's Part-time program can compare to Tech's. Emory's part time program is ranked a few spots higher, but costs $15,000 more. The Full-time programs between Emory and GT are now a wash. Georgia State isn't bad, but GT has shot up the rankings and will continue to pull away. The GT name carries national weight that Georgia State doesn't. This does matter for job placement and GT College of Management was ranked #2 in the country for MBA job placement.
At Tech you can get a degree in:
Applied Languages and Intercultural Studies
Economics and International Affairs - Not new
Global Economics and Modern Languages - Basically an INTA degree with a focus on a language. Nothing really new there.
International Affairs and Modern Language - Not New
History, Technology, and Society - Not New
International Affairs - Not New
Public Policy - Not New
Tech even has a School of Music - Sure, but offers no majors and is mostly focused on music technology and accoustics.

So these are the only 'odd ball' majors you found? Why not open up the school a bit more to other programs. With the focus on teaching math and science in this state and coutnry, why not at least develop a teaching minor or something to encourage some of these technical grads to teach high school math/science for a little while. I'd certainly rather have that than some knuckledragger from "Directional state polytechnic and cosmetology school."

Besides, GT wants to be elite so it is likely that expanding to suit the needs of students in Georgia will probably lower GT's standards. Let UGA be 2nd tier and Georgia Southern 3rd tier and GT can be the top tier. That is a bad way of looking at it. You have world class facilities and a world class reputation that the numbers have shown are only going up. You could easily add 500-1000 undergrads a year for 5 years and not experience any decline in the quality of students. The average math/verbal SAT score for GT last year was 1372. Why not make use of the established GT brand and grow a bit even if the avg SAT scores fall to 1350. In the end THAT would be better utilization of state funds than to start from scratch at a new school.
Well, Tech created its graduate progam in business despite there being other good programs in Atlanta already. Might have been better to focus state funds at the other schools if there was a need for more. What other good programs at state schools other than GSU? Terry hasn't been top notch for a long time.

But this really isn't about the need for more engineers, but rather UGA wanting engineering and medicine to make it a truly comprehensive university. Engineering and medicine will bring in huge research bucks for UGA. Georgia Southern was brought along so as to make it not look like this is all about UGA. Now Georgia Southern's program is probably a waste of the state's money. Both are a big waste. You have a great asset that you could further leverage, but instead you choose not to. It just doesn't make sense. As the business program has proven, you can attach the GT name to new areas and within a short period of time, and utilize this clout to become a respected program quickly.

Tech will be fine in all this. Over 10 years, Tech added about 5,000 students so that's about at the low end of your desired growth projection.

Agreed, GT will be fine, but at the end of the day should the state of Georgia want 25,000 undergrads in a top 40 college or 15,000 in a top 35? Even if it slips in the rankings a little bit, wouldn't it be of a greater good to the state to have more of these highly educated, technical grads each year?
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Old 08-30-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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Gtcorndog...

I'll refrain from getting in to how ridiculous (and quite childish) I find the idea of bulldozing Morris Brown's campus is and just remind you that many of the buildings on Morris Brown's campus, as well as the greater AUC, are on the National Register of Historic Places.

In other words, the chances of bulldozing them is pretty much nil for this bizarre non-resolution. I mean seriously, what would be gained by destroying such a historic place?
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