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Old 09-07-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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I think that this "shortage" of IT workers is a big scam. There are plenty of American born people here who are trained in IT. One of my co-workers is trained by DeVry in IT and before he came to my company, he was employed somewhere else in IT before he was laid off. But he is unable to move out of my division & back into an IT job because no one has been willing to hire him in another IT job.

Also to note, at Dekalb Technical College & Gwinnett Technical College, huge classes of IT trained intelligent young people are coming out every semester, but many of them are not being picked up. This also proves that the IT worker "shortage" is a gigantic scam designed to steal American taxpayer wealth & hoard our country's resources for oligarchic gain.

Fact of the matter is these employers want employees that they can pay low wages & few benefits and can hold leverage over them. An employee with an H-1B Visa fits that bill.

That's why I personally feel with all my heart that the United States of America's approach to free-market & capitalism is a total failure on all levels. It does not give every regular citizen a decent shot at a good lifestyle. What our system at it's current state actually does is enabling cronyism, a low standard of living & feudalism that may in the future force the average American's quality-of-life standards down to Third-world levels if it gets out of hand.

I'm not holding this against you per se, so don't please don't take my soapbox opinionating the wrong way. I am simply saying that this country and most of its public & private leadership has failed to prove that they mean well.

It's time for new labor revolution I think, before these economic conditions deteriorate even more than they already have. Just my simple opinion, I guess.

Peace.
ITA with this. I don't have a problem with anyone moving here legally but I do feel that the "shortage in IT" is a scam and an excuse to hire immigrants at lower wages than citizens. I know a few people in IT, two were programmers who are out of work right now or working beneath their field. They apply to jobs all the time so I do feel the so called shortage is a misrepresentation.
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Old 09-07-2011, 03:15 PM
 
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For the record, this highly skilled, white, New Zealand born, Canada raised, naturalized US citizen finds your posts repugnant. Has it escaped your attention that the majority of the non-US "Anglosphere" loves Obama? Be careful what you wish for.
The ones who put down the U.S. love Obama, by and large. Those who would emigrate to the U.S. are less likely to be in favor of Socialism.
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:09 PM
 
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... then here comes Skeeter & Bubba right on cue from their weekly jaunt in the Appalachians...
Why the gratuitous slam against the Appalachians? Historically the Appalachians have been the seedbed for many of America's most progressive movements.

Dr. King and many civil rights leaders cut their teeth there. The Southern labor movement, the struggle against poverty, the battle to protect the environment and many other forward thinking causes had their roots in places like Highlander, Penland and John Campbell. Where do you think the the anthem "We Shall Overcome" came from?


For what it's worth, allusions to Appalachians as "Bubba" and "Skeeter" are beneath you, Snake. Poor whites have long been treated like crap and viewed as fair game by anyone who wants to stereotype and pick on the weak. Why join in the bashing?

The Hillbilly Stereotype: Razing History, Leveling Appalachia Kasama

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Old 09-07-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I'll accept that criticism...but let me put this out there:

Was it okay for one of the posters on this very thread to say that English-speaking Europeans(excuse me...Anglosphere) do not destroy American culture, but that all the other non-europeans do destroy American culture? As long as it's from the conservative mindset, it's okay?

Is that what you are saying Arjay?

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Why the gratuitous slam against the Appalachians? Historically the Appalachians have been the seedbed for many of America's most progressive movements.

Dr. King and many civil rights leaders cut their teeth there. The Southern labor movement, the struggle against poverty, the battle to protect the environment and many other forward thinking causes had their roots in places like Highlander, Penland and John Campbell. Where do you think the the anthem "We Shall Overcome" came from?


For what it's worth, allusions to Appalachians as "Bubba" and "Skeeter" are beneath you, Snake. Poor whites have long been treated like crap and viewed as fair game by anyone who wants to stereotype and pick on the weak. Why join in the bashing?

The Hillbilly Stereotype: Razing History, Leveling Appalachia Kasama


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Old 09-07-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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Just FYI, if you are of another country, you will absolutely love Atlanta. Soooo diverse here.. probly the most diverse in the country. Not sure why its not more publicized, but tons of Asians, Latinas, Europeans, Africans, Middle Easterners. Your stomach will thank you for moving to Atlanta!
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:35 PM
 
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Was it okay for one of the posters to say that English-speaking Europeans(excuse me...Anglosphere) do not destroy American culture but that all the other non-europeans do destroy American culture? As long as it's from the conservative mindset, it's okay?
No, of course not. I've critiqued that point of view many times myself. I'm just saying we should criticize ideas and conduct directly, not by using harmful stereotypes.

I agree that the U.S. should look after its own first. Nearly every other country does that.

At the same time, we need to be careful to ensure that we attract the best talent from wherever it may be.
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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All I'm saying is that if you are going critique one person on a thread for furthering an insensitive remark, then you should be prepared to do it in every case on that same thread. The consequences of not doing so is that you risk being called out yourself and your message falling on deaf ears. You can't play "internet cop" when you feel like it.

We human beings are egotistical creatures and the acceptance of having our hubris pricked only works if there is a consistency in this action across the board. That's simply how it goes.

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No, of course not. I've critiqued that point of view many times myself. I'm just saying we should criticize ideas and conduct directly, not by using harmful stereotypes.

I agree that the U.S. should look after its own first. Nearly every other country does that.

At the same time, we need to be careful to ensure that we attract the best talent from wherever it may be.
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Old 09-07-2011, 06:37 PM
 
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All I'm saying is that if you are going critique one person on a thread for furthering an insensitive remark, then you should be prepared to do it in every case on that same thread.
Well, I'm not going to critique every person on every thread and folks are more than welcome to call me out.

I'm just holding you to a different standard.

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Old 09-07-2011, 08:51 PM
 
Location: East Cobb
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The ones who put down the U.S. love Obama, by and large. Those who would emigrate to the U.S. are less likely to be in favor of Socialism.
Foreign (and domestic) Obama admirers don't think of him or ourselves as socialist, you know. And when I agreed to take a job transfer down here, I really had no idea that my middle-of-the-road (Canadian style) political views would be regarded as "socialism" (and this a bad thing) by some Americans. Heck, I'd been a subscriber to the New Yorker for years, and taken vacations in Washington, Oregon and California, where the people seemed pretty normal. I had no idea Americans included such a vocal faction of right-wing extremists (to my way of thinking) who actually consider their views normative.

I think your ideas about the likely political views of would-be immigrants are just wishful thinking.
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Old 09-07-2011, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I'm glad that you hold me in such high esteem.

I just want to make sure that others who are reading this thread know that judgement and fairplay is a two-way street...and you know I will make sure to remind you of that as well.

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Well, I'm not going to critique every person on every thread and folks are more than welcome to call me out.

I'm just holding you to a different standard.

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