Could Georgia Tech return to the SEC? (Madison, Louisville: college, subdivision)

[bellhead]

With the Missouri market not being as big as the Atl market, this is the reason they want GT first.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

Actually...

They were at the time of acceptance to the BigTen.

They were recently kicked out because "Its medical school is under a separate administrative structure, so the research dollars it brings in are not counted by the association. And as a land-grant institution, Nebraska has about a quarter of its faculty involved in agriculture and extension work, and most financing for agricultural research is noncompetitive and so does not count heavily in the group’s ranking. "

Fair enough. The Big Ten had extended an invitation to Notre Dame in the past and are rumored to still be interested in them. Not AAU.

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

Fair enough. The Big Ten had extended an invitation to Notre Dame in the past and are rumored to still be interested in them. Not AAU.

And Notre Dame would be the exception. The BigTen has coveted them for years. Notre Dame, while not a big research school, is still an elite University. Its not like they would be accepting some joke school. I could not see them making an exception for any other school.

[PeteyNice]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

Those figures are totaling up all of their research grants. To what extent do they really cooperate in research? Schools will work with any other school if it means they can land a grant. Research money is not paid out among the member institutions like it is in sports.

The CIC is all about facilitating research cooperation between member schools. It is its mission. Look at how Penn State has expanded their research since joining the Big 10. This is a much bigger deal than football.

VERY shabby? No, the SEC schools are good. The AAU stuff is more of a badge of honor.

VERY shabby. The Big 10, Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC operate in a different academic sphere than the SEC. It isn't close.

The state of Virginia had to twist UVA's arm to get them to back VT's admission into the ACC. I don't see any reason why they should HAVE to stick together.

So, UVA went to great lengths to save VaTech when it looked like the Big East was going to implode, but some how VaTech would be able to walk away without returning the favor? Really? You think that would fly?

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

I guess this depends on your definition of good. Apparently ours differ because the SEC schools are average schools at best. Sure they aren't community colleges, but they are closer to that than elite status. They lag behind nearly all ACC and BigTen schools.

No, I'd say they are considerably higher than community colleges and closer to the elite status side of the scale. I suppose Mississippi State is their weakest school with US News ranking them #151. in terms of their undergraduate quality and Vanderbilt the best at #17. And many of their universities have research grants totaling hundreds of millions of dollars.

[ckhthankgod]

I think people are sleeping on schools like Louisville, Central Florida and South Florida.

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

I think people are sleeping on schools like Louisville, Central Florida and South Florida.

None add TV sets for the conferences that might consider them. ACC and SEC both already have Florida locked up due to their existing teams in those states. There is no nead for the ACC to add another school in FL due to FSU and Miami. SEC has Florida. There is no value added by adding a UCF or USF for either conference.

Louisville is in a similar situation. UK brings Kentucky markets to the SEC. The ACCand BigTen have no interest in a commuter school with no academic reputation like Louisville. Additionally, Louisville doesn't bring media markets on the scale of the other schools being targeted for potential moves.

Those schools oyu mentioned are not being targeted/mentioned for valid reasons.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by PeteyNice

The CIC is all about facilitating research cooperation between member schools. It is its mission. Look at how Penn State has expanded their research since joining the Big 10. This is a much bigger deal than football.

Penn State has always been about research. How much has it expanded and can it be attributed to joining the Big Ten?

VERY shabby. The Big 10, Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC operate in a different academic sphere than the SEC. It isn't close.

A different "academic sphere"? How's that? SEC schools do big bucks research too.

So, UVA went to great lengths to save VaTech when it looked like the Big East was going to implode, but some how VaTech would be able to walk away without returning the favor? Really? You think that would fly?

UVA had its arm twisted by the state of Virginia. Would UVA be really upset if VT went to another conference? What benefit is there for UVA if VT stays?

[testa50]

Originally Posted by PeteyNice

The CIC is all about facilitating research cooperation between member schools. It is its mission. Look at how Penn State has expanded their research since joining the Big 10. This is a much bigger deal than football.



VERY shabby. The Big 10, Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC operate in a different academic sphere than the SEC. It isn't close.

The CIC is the exception, not the rule. The academic issue matters far more for the Big Ten than anyone else. You're not going to get a massive influx of cash whether you join the Pac 12 or SEC...it barely even matters at all. It might change the perception of your school slightly, but in the short run that's it.

Also, Big 12 is in a different sphere than the SEC? I mean, come on, you've got schools like Kansas State and Texas Tech in the Big 12. The BXII is marginally better, but not that much better. With Colorado (the conference's third best school) gone and TAMU (the conference's second best school) leaving for the SEC the difference is slim to none.

[PeteyNice]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

Penn State has always been about research. How much has it expanded and can it be attributed to joining the Big Ten?

Academic upgrade the key | The Columbia Daily Tribune - Columbia, Missouri

The greater impact, though, has been felt on the school’s campus in State College. One of the great luxuries in joining the Big Ten is its association with the league’s academic counterpart, the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, whose members share academic resources and programs while benefiting from more than $6 billion in funded research. In 2008, Penn State spent $701,000 on research and development, almost 50 percent of which was funded by the federal government through the partnership with the CIC. Of the nine public institutions with the biggest research budgets in 2008, five came from the Big Ten, according to the National Science Foundation, including Penn State at No. 8.

All of which goes back to academics, Jordan’s initial infatuation with the Big Ten. It was, after all, officially known as the Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives until 1987.

“Penn State was academically up to the level of the Big Ten schools, and joining the league obviously would have an impact on the academic reputation of the school,” he said. “That I found to be very important. It was the most important thing. That was my real motivation.”

Some actual numbers for Penn State...

Penn State joined the Big Ten in 1990. At the time it joined the Big Ten it had research expenditures in the $350 million range and comparable to the University of Texas and Texas A&M University, both top tier research universities. By 2009, however, Penn State had doubled its research expenditures to $780 million, far surpassing both UT ($580 million) and A&M ($600 million), due in large part to the enhanced academic competition of its peer group in the Big Ten.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...grade-the-key/

A different "academic sphere"? How's that? SEC schools do big bucks research too.

The Big 12 has five AAU schools (Texas, A&M, Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas).

UVA had its arm twisted by the state of Virginia. Would UVA be really upset if VT went to another conference? What benefit is there for UVA if VT stays?

Oh, I don't know, how about playing in an AQ conference? Virginia made sure that VaTech did not stay in a conference whose future was uncertain, why would they not do the same for UVA?