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Old 10-08-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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No offense but that sounds pretty leftist to me.
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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Three yers since the last post, even though the hot lane prices regulalrly exceed 7.00 bucks in the AM and 4 in the PM. Deal didn't reduce prices for long, the HOT lane works pretty well for those willing to pay the price and rest of us just shut up. Unfortunately it is the story of the downfall of our country. People just won't even vote, let alone organize to get things changed. Our government, at every level is taking over our lives at every turn.
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: North Atlanta
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Three yers since the last post, even though the hot lane prices regulalrly exceed 7.00 bucks in the AM and 4 in the PM. Deal didn't reduce prices for long, the HOT lane works pretty well for those willing to pay the price and rest of us just shut up. Unfortunately it is the story of the downfall of our country. People just won't even vote, let alone organize to get things changed. Our government, at every level is taking over our lives at every turn.
Why did you bump a 3-year-old thread just to post this?
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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Three yers since the last post, even though the hot lane prices regulalrly exceed 7.00 bucks in the AM and 4 in the PM. Deal didn't reduce prices for long, the HOT lane works pretty well for those willing to pay the price and rest of us just shut up. Unfortunately it is the story of the downfall of our country. People just won't even vote, let alone organize to get things changed. Our government, at every level is taking over our lives at every turn.
Roads have always been a public utility... How did adding hot lanes make government take over your life? It allows an option for those who need to travel faster to bypass traffic. By changing the price based on the congestion it can ensure that the lane will always remain moving.
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Old 09-09-2014, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Three yers since the last post, even though the hot lane prices regulalrly exceed 7.00 bucks in the AM and 4 in the PM. Deal didn't reduce prices for long, the HOT lane works pretty well for those willing to pay the price and rest of us just shut up. Unfortunately it is the story of the downfall of our country. People just won't even vote, let alone organize to get things changed. Our government, at every level is taking over our lives at every turn.
Umm... feel free to hate the lanes and all, but at least be honest.

Deal did reduce prices. In off times the lane costs $0.1/mile. When they started it... I forgot what it was, but the minimum price was like a dollar-something and it went completely unused unless it was rush hour. Deal did everything he said he would publicly do regarding this particular matter.



The lane is actually working during peak hours, but the problem you're facing is that of fairness for the implementation that is biased towards those who are more able to pay and I understand that.

The reason the lane works is during the most congested times when the rest of the highway slows up... we have one lane that keeps moving. In other words, more cars are able to keep passing. If more cars pass... then it helps.

During the congested period the price is set purely by demand. It will be whatever price necessary to let the maximum number of cars use the lane per hour, but keep moving. Deal never said he was going to change this

It also works, because it is still trying to meet the goal of car poolers and transit (free). 3+ and transit buses, and ride share vans can use the lane for free. They can't do the 2+, because the lane was getting too congested. The Toll merely sells off the excess space, so it isn't wasted.

25% of the people in the HOT lane are not driving. They are in a ride share or a bus, therefore during the most congested periods not only are more cars using the lane....but more people overall.

The tolling stinks, because of inequity... but it makes the lane more efficient and used by more people.
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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For better or worse, this is a country that caters more and more to the wealthy every day. Regardless of who is president, this trend has been underway for a few decades and will only continue.
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Roads have always been a public utility... How did adding hot lanes make government take over your life? It allows an option for those who need to travel faster to bypass traffic. By changing the price based on the congestion it can ensure that the lane will always remain moving.
You're wrong all transportation used to be completely private
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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You're wrong all transportation used to be completely private
What, like caveman times you mean?
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You're wrong all transportation used to be completely private
The term public utility is an economics term that refers to any organization, public or private, that furnishes a nessecity to the public at large. Frequently characterized by things that have require access to public rights of ways and frequently monopolies or low levels of competition.

The term 'public' in public utility refers to the consumers, the general public.

Streets in most cases are monopolies regulated if built privately, but the public must have them to function.

And not all -roads- use to be private either.

However, some were at times built by the railroads in certain towns. Sometimes companies built their own roads and/or towns so a factory could be built.

Today we have neighborhoods with private streets, but they all intersect with public roads for those leaving the neighborhood/complex.
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