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Old 10-05-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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I wonder how many black Georgetown grads would have never considered Tennessee State? I'm guessing Oprah is glad she isn't one of those people. Folks kill me with this ridiculous notion that you're more likely to succeed at certain schools.

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Old 10-05-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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This idea that acceptance rates don't mean anything is flawed. While it isn't the end-all-be-all, it does say something about the selectivity of the school. Do you want to go to a school that nearly anyone can get into or do you want to go to a school that has high standards?

It is like buying a house. Do you want to buy the most expensive house in the neighborhood? Nope. You want to be on the lower end of the neighborhood. The same is true for an education. You don't want to be among the smartest, most qualified students in the school. Everyone else in the school is bringing you down. If I had a 27 ACT (comparable to about a 1230 SAT Math/Verbal), I would not want to go to a school where 75% were below that and 25% had below a 950. I would want to be challenged and my mind opened to World thinking, not limited to black culture/theology. Some people want to venture outside comfort zones, while others want to retreat into them. I still don't get how this 'I'm going for the black perspective' is any less destructive than a white kid going to Bob Jones. I'm just not buying the 'you don't understand because you aren't black reasoning.' That is a cop-out and an excuse to exude racist attitudes toward others.
 
Old 10-05-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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I wonder how many black Georgetown grads would have never considered Tennessee State? I'm guessing Oprah is glad she isn't one of those people. Folks kill me with this ridiculous notion that you're more likely to succeed at certain schools.

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Seriously?

Citing Oprah as an example? Wow! An outlier. Great research!

You absolutely are more likely to succeed at certain schools. If you surround yourself by other driven, ambitious students, you are likely to follow that model. If you go to a lesser school that is full of lesser quality students (aptitude and ambition), you are less likely to succeed.


http://www.payscale.com/education/av...or-college-ROI

Return on Investment:
Georgetown: #43
Morehouse: #683 <--- along with academic powerhouses Bridgewater State and California University of Pennsylvania

Starting Pay:
Georgetown: $50,300 a year <--- Equal with Brown, Univ of Michigan and Southern Cal
Morehouse: $44,500 a year <--- Equal with Texas A&M Kingsville and Oregon State

Mid-Career Pay:
Georgetown: $96,900 a year <--- Equal with Boston College, William and Mary and Rice
Morehouse $74,300 a year <--- Equal with Walla Wall University, Humboldt State, and Utah State

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Old 10-05-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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I still don't get how this 'I'm going for the black perspective' is any less destructive than a white kid going to Bob Jones. I'm just not buying the 'you don't understand because you aren't black reasoning.' That is a cop-out and an excuse to exude racist attitudes toward others.
Of course you won't understand because you did not grow up black in America regardless of how equal you think everything is. Whites don't have to seek out ambitious or successful whites because they have the privileged of being a majority in this country. You don't need to find a school or neighborhood filled with white professionals because by sheer numbers alone every city is going to have that. The same thing can be applied to HBCUs, while most blacks aren't poor or lower class it is still harder to find what white people take for granted. We just got the same rights less then 60 years ago so black are still catching up and it helps to be around other successful and ambitious blacks as inspiration, especially when the media makes us all look like a big monolith of monkeys and fools instead of individuals. Something white kids have no problem with in their situation when finding good white role models because of demographics.
 
Old 10-05-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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Of course you won't understand because you did not grow up black in America regardless of how equal you think everything is. Whites don't have to seek out ambitious or successful whites because they have the privileged of being a majority in this country. You don't need to find a school or neighborhood filled with white professionals because by sheer numbers alone every city is going to have that. The same thing can be applied to HBCUs, while most blacks aren't poor or lower class it is still harder to find what white people take for granted. We just got the same rights less then 60 years ago so black are still catching up and it helps to be around other successful and ambitious blacks as inspiration, especially when the media makes us all look like a big monolith of monkeys and fools instead of individuals. Something white kids have no problem with in their situation when finding good white role models because of demographics.

Exactly. To stress it again it has only been 43 years since all forms of segregation where made illegal in this nation... 43 years ago I would have had to sit behind a white person on a bus. Only 43 years ago, I would have had to gone to school in an underfunded, dilapidated, crap hole that wouldn't allow me the educational faculties for my success. Some of you remember this and even lived through this. So before we declare that we are a "racial democracy" and completely equal, the black community still needs to root out old mentalities, habits, and in general problems which come from almost 400 years of oppression. Just saying...
 
Old 10-05-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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Of course you won't understand because you did not grow up black in America regardless of how equal you think everything is What is unequal currently? If anything, there are more opportunities for minorities regardless of how much you try to convince people otherwise. Whites don't have to seek out ambitious or successful whites because they have the privileged of being a majority in this country I don't seek out my role models based on their skin. I look for positive attributes and don't resort to this lowest level of excuse making. You don't need to find a school or neighborhood filled with white professionals because by sheer numbers alone every city is going to have that. The same thing can be applied to HBCUs, while most blacks aren't poor or lower class it is still harder to find what white people take for granted ??? Why do black students need black role models? I was mentored by an Asian professor. Should I have sought out a white guy? Again, this is just petty racialist thinking that is destructive to society. It boils down to "I am black therefore I want to have my blackness reaffirmed by being around other blacks?" Why not instead choose the "I am successful and a hard worker therefor I want to surround myself with other successful hard workers." . We just got the same rights less then 60 years ago so black are still catching up and it helps to be around other successful and ambitious blacks as inspiration, especially when the media makes us all look like a big monolith of monkeys and fools instead of individuals The media does that? Really? Something white kids have no problem with in their situation when finding good white role models because of demographics. Again, why does a white kid need a white role model? That is ass-backwards, racist thinking that is destructive to society.

See red notes above.

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Old 10-05-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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1.What is unequal currently? If anything, there are more opportunities for minorities regardless of how much you try to convince people otherwise.

The fact that if a black person f*cks up his whole race is looked down upon but white people are actually seen as individuals in this society. Whites don't have to worry about that.


2.I don't seek out my role models based on their skin. I look for positive attributes and don't resort to this lowest level of excuse making.

Who making excuses and for what? American society makes African Americans out to be monkeys so it helps black kids to see other black role models so they have hope. You wouldn't get that. You never have to deal with that being white.

3.??? Why do black students need black role models? I was mentored by an Asian professor. Should I have sought out a white guy? Again, this is just petty racialist thinking that is destructive to society. It boils down to "I am black therefore I want to have my blackness reaffirmed by being around other blacks?" Why not instead choose the "I am successful and a hard worker therefor I want to surround myself with other successful hard workers."

Once again, American society makes African Americans out to be monkeys so it helps black kids to see other black role models so they have hope. You wouldn't get that. You never have to deal with that being white. Look at some of the poster on this site. Have you seen what they post about black people.


4.The media does that? Really? The media has been in love with the President since he first spoke regardless of the effectiveness/lack-of his actions (which I won't get into). Are they making him into something he isn't? Are they not giving him more of a benefit of the doubt than they did the previous president?

I hope you know the difference between a black person and a African American. Guess which one Obama is.


5.Again, why does a white kid need a white role model? That is ass-backwards, racist thinking that is destructive to society.

He doesn't because whites aren't looked down on in society like blacks. Once again it is something he never has to deal with.
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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I come from a redneck background. Aren't rednecks looked down upon? I didn't choose my college based on how many rednecks were around, nor do I consider whether somebody is redneck or not in looking for role models.
 
Old 10-05-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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I come from a redneck background. Aren't rednecks looked down upon? I didn't choose my college based on how many rednecks were around, nor do I consider whether somebody is redneck or not in looking for role models.
You can hide bieng a "red neck". You can't hide bieng black.
 
Old 10-05-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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You can hide bieng a "red neck". You can't hide bieng black.
If you heard my accent you wouldn't say that.
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