Morehouse College? Thoughts and Perceptions (Atlanta, Dallas: gated, organic, to live in)
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I do regret it. I loved being around black guys like me. I think a lot of black people, and black guys especially, often feel like they're special because they've gone to a Big University. We think we're the only black people who can read and write. It's a bit humbling to be around guys who are just as smart and motivated as you (if not more). They're also very well-rounded guys. You don't find many well-rounded people at Harvard.
I also liked the fact that the school has a mission. Big schools have a clear mission: research. That's all well and good, but I liked the fact that Morehouse really stressed using your talents to help others. Not just using your talents to strive for recognition within liberal academic circles.
Then there's the "ownership" component of it. You feel like you really belong. At a school like Georgetown, all of the black kids will sit together in the cafeteria anyway, so what's the point of being there? They probably would have been better off going to Howard. And unless they were very and I do mean very prepared academically before going to Georgetown, they'll struggle academically once there. I've known several kids who came to Harvard hoping to be doctors and wound up finishing with degrees in Af-Am studies. It wasn't because they weren't smart enough to be doctors; they just needed help getting acclimated to the "game" (and that's what college is), and unfortunately, the rules aren't published.
I've run into some Harvard MBA guys at some of the affinity conferences. I actually found them to be more down to earth than expected.
I did not go to Georgetown, though I was a big fan of the Hoya basketball teams of the mid-late 80's. I did however go to top technical National University, so please don't question my analytical skills.
Please provide the statistical proof of your statement. I'm the only one in this thread providing hard statistics. I have yet to see a study comparing the salaries of harvard graduates black vs. white*. Also, perhaps portion of the pay gap, assuming there is one for Harvard graduates, is due to the quality gap of the student entering Harvard. The entrance requirements (SAT score, GPA, rank, etc) for black students entering Harvard is lower than their white counterparts (Harvard has imposed a quota for black students to increase diversity). Perhaps a better study would be to compare the Harvard students with comparable entrance resumes. It is unfair to compare the 1600 SAT, white valedictorian to a 1350 SAT score, top 15% high school class, black undergrad's lifetime earnings. They might have gone to the same school, but they were already unequal entering. I doubt this exists, but I believe you'd have to compare similar students upon entering to compare them upon exiting and then later in life.
To simply blame black vs. white as the only pay gap factor is ignoring many other none racial factors.
*Don't throw up some generic black people earn less than white people study that doesn't normalize things for educational level and quality. That is irrelevant. Wouldn't you expect a population with lower mean education to earn a lower mean salary. That isn't proof of racism.
You made a simple factual statement: Georgetown grads earn more than Morehouse grads. I also made a simple factual statement: white people earn more than black people. This is a fact. Since Georgetown is a predominantly white school (and Morehouse a predominantly black school), and whites earn more than blacks as aforementioned, then it should not come as a great surprise to anyone that Morehouse grads earn less than Georgetown grads. That's not so much a function of Morehouse as it is a function of the society we live in.
Paradoxically, the highest earners I went to college with were not the students with the highest SAT scores (Mark Zuckerberg excepted). There are a lot of variables that determine your lifetime earnings, your sociability and family background probably being just as important, if not more, than aptitude. My freshman year roommate made a 1270 or 1280 on the SAT but his mother and father were both members of the Hasty Pudding Society, so his admission was pretty much a lock. He's at some private equity firm now making beaucoup bucks. You think his success is largely the product of his work ethic?
Anyone who's ever worked in corporate America knows that merit doesn't mean all that much. At least it doesn't mean as much as being married to the boss's daughter. Or the right handicap on the golf course. Or the fact that you just really, really remind the boss of his son. Sometimes you don't even get asked to go to the Tom Petty concert with your co-workers because, well, ya know. They just forgot, I suppose. Minorities get excluded from professional circles the same way they get excluded from eating and final clubs. The isolation we experience on campus extends into the working world as well.
My freshman year roommate made a 1270 or 1280 on the SAT but his mother and father were both members of the Hasty Pudding Society, so his admission was pretty much a lock. He's at some private equity firm now making beaucoup bucks. You think his success is largely the product of his work ethic?
I thought those guys were all geniuses who worked five times harder than the rest of us,
If your son's quest for a black experience is paramount in life, then you don't have to leave Houston for that. Have him stay in Houston and save a lot of money. Also, if having the black experience is paramount for attending college, then your son is going for the wrong reason. I think you as a parent need to do some growing up and realize that getting a college education is the real issue regardless of how many blacks attend the college. Hmmmmmmmmm!!!!!! Kind of feel sorry for this young man with the lack of guidance he's getting from mom and dad.
WOW!!I cannot believe you would have the AUDACITY to question decisons they are HELPING their son make.As I understood it he was interested in all the schools mentioned.Its not forced.I feel sorry for you that you obviously dont know the stats regarding educational attainment for black males and why certain institutions are needed for SOME black young adults.
No way homie, all due respect to you as I lurk on here often and I tend to agree with your posts, but in this case you're way off base IMO. Don't make it seem like graduating from Morehouse is an automatic "golden ticket" to success in life. I know plenty of Morehouse grads that have BS jobs, from my experience those students who went to Morehouse and attained the levels of success of which you speak come from very well to do families from across the country and those families have deep connections. So it really wouldn't matter where they went to school, as they would have probably ended up on their feet regardless, as most children of rich parents do, white or black. For kids like me, who come from modest middle class backgrounds, and whose parents were not able to get them into organizations such as Jack and Jill and Tots and Teens as a child, that is sadly not the case homie, If you're coming from a background such as mine you are much better off going to a school like Georgetown so you can make connections that your parents didn't have a chance to, as the "clickish" nature of Morehouse will hinder you from doing so.
I never said that.I dont believe ANY school is a GOLDEN ticket.
However a well regarded NAME makes it easy than one that has a lesser reputation.
I went to an HBCU AFTER Emory and Wesley College in Delaware.I work for myself.I know some people that went to Princeton doing mediocre work.
Education is dependent on how bad the person wants it.
I finally graduated from Fort Valley State University (after the Air Force)because of many reasons.One of which is I have a rich legacy from their.My great great uncle was one of the original founders,My parents met in undergrad their.My Grandmother before getting her Masters at UGA at age 55.
(By the way my father went to Graduate school at Georgetown.
Regarding your friend I do remember what happened.My father was a Dean at CAU at the time as well as my sister was in school their as well.
As far as "clickish" nature of Morehouse.Do you not realize that Georgetown and all the Ivy leagues schools are extremely clickish too!!Im not disagreeing completely with that statement that if one has background like yourself,Morehouse may not be the right choice.That does not mean another HBCU will also or even that a mainstream school would either.
You're exactly right, who needs keggers when a third of the student body is at club Bulldogs in Midtown on a Thursday night, another third of the straight student body is at Tongue and Groove on Mondays, and everybody, straight or gay is at primal on Friday.
(See I can throw jabs too, I just like to present the facts first)
OOOh nooo he did'nt!!You still wrong but that was a good one.I got a chuckle out of that.
I did not go to Georgetown, though I was a big fan of the Hoya basketball teams of the mid-late 80's. I did however go to top technical National University, so please don't question my analytical skills.
Please provide the statistical proof of your statement. I'm the only one in this thread providing hard statistics. I have yet to see a study comparing the salaries of harvard graduates black vs. white*. Also, perhaps portion of the pay gap, assuming there is one for Harvard graduates, is due to the quality gap of the student entering Harvard. The entrance requirements (SAT score, GPA, rank, etc) for black students entering Harvard is lower than their white counterparts (Harvard has imposed a quota for black students to increase diversity). Perhaps a better study would be to compare the Harvard students with comparable entrance resumes. It is unfair to compare the 1600 SAT, white valedictorian to a 1350 SAT score, top 15% high school class, black undergrad's lifetime earnings. They might have gone to the same school, but they were already unequal entering. I doubt this exists, but I believe you'd have to compare similar students upon entering to compare them upon exiting and then later in life.
To simply blame black vs. white as the only pay gap factor is ignoring many other none racial factors.
*Don't throw up some generic black people earn less than white people study that doesn't normalize things for educational level and quality. That is irrelevant. Wouldn't you expect a population with lower mean education to earn a lower mean salary. That isn't proof of racism.
So why would a "certain" part of the whole population have lower educational attainment?If its not "racism or racial",what is it?
Why are you so mad? There are a lot of guys from Morehouse who've gone on to Harvard Business/Law/Medical School, Yale Law, Wharton, Stanford Business School, London School of Economics, etc. There are plenty of doctors, lawyers, and bankers who've come out of there. My only question is why you're not one of them? I don't mean to come off as arrogant, but you seem to give off this vibe that Morehouse has somehow failed you, so you transferred to Georgia Perimeter to get a quality education. If these other guys were able to go there and be successful, why couldn't the same happen for you?
He probably was not friends with the RIGHT people. No network or wrong bad network can really set you back.
As I've stated earlier. It really doesn't matter where you go to school. It just matters what you do. Quick story. My mother back in the 80s went to a small school in Illinois that was a little worse than Clayton State University, but better than GPC. My Mom being the hard worker that she is did a fantastic job and upon graduation she was offered a position at a Fortune 100 company. She excelled and quickly became a regional manager at this company and made six figures. The point is she made the most of where she was at and because of her hard work, success followed her. Regardless of where OP's poster's son goes to. As long as he works to be the best, he will find success. If your passionate about your work and what you do you will be successful. End of story.
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I did however go to top technical National University, so please don't question my analytical skills. 
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You still wrong but that was a good one.I got a chuckle out of that.
