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Old 10-09-2011, 11:49 AM
Location: Georgia
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Originally Posted by neil0311 View Post
All public transit systems run at an operating loss when you consider fares only. Are there any that don't?

The fact is that costs have risen dramatically for all transit systems in the last few years. Fares have to reflect those increases. You cannot keep fares artificially low, at an increasing rate of subsidy. The ridership must pay it's "fair fare share" (pun intended) and not expect the taxpayers to pay an ever increasing percentage of their transportation costs. Auto and truck operators pay higher costs and so should transit riders.
But what is the cost to society of moving a person one mile via city bus or rail vs. personal automobile? As long as the bus is filled over a certain number of people--which is a legitimate question for a given line, of course--I contend that the bus does less economic damage. More cars = more road maintenance, more traffic, more fumes, more accidents, higher demand for fuel. Society pays for all of that, but since that payment is indirect, not as many people protest it. That, and it's a lot easier to get in your car and drive as it is to wait for the bus and make any necessary transfers.

AGAIN....this is a red herring of the worst type. Fire and police are essential public safety services. They are prime examples of the necessary and intended services that should be provided by gov't. It is relied upon by ALL citizens. Transit is not essential and is not relied upon by all citizens. If you want that optional service, then you should pay a "fair fare" and not rely on others to provide for your needs.
No, it's not a red herring. A well-designed and implemented transit system benefits everyone, even those who never set foot on it. This is the point that we have been trying to make. Case in point, people who choose to use MARTA's park-and-ride at North Springs to commute from Alpharetta to downtown are reducing traffic and pollution by just a little bit. Multiply that over countless thousands of people per day, however, and the effect becomes a real one.

And quite frankly, given some of the comments from people on the Far Right, I don't really know if they support continued public funding of fire and police services.
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