Occupy Atlanta (ref: Wall Street protests here) (Tiger: casinos, cost)

[tigers84]

Originally Posted by JPD

Those aren't the only two types of people in this country. Get it? And even if they were, neither of those groups could be neatly arranged into the goofy categories you offered.

Doesn't matter. The point is, the fundamental philosophies are starkly contrasted, even though there may be areas of overlap.

You arent comprehendingt the overarching principles. When people talk of "fairness" "social justice" "free universal healtcjare" etc, it's the same basic idea just different manifestations, "from those according to their ability to those according to their need".

I/ we reject those ideas, fundamentally and absolutely.

Its you who don't get it.

[AcidSnake]

That about sums it all up.

Originally Posted by JPD

So on one hand there's "detailed analysis, deep philosophical musings, game changing missives and truly mind blowing relevations," and on the other hand there's boiling down all Americans as either "union socialist thugs" or those who "fight for freedom and individual liberties, as the country's founders did."

If you really can't see that there are light years worth of middle ground in there, you truly are not an intelligent person.

[tigers84]

Originally Posted by AcidSnake

That about sums it all up.

Consider me devastated.

The pedantic arrogance of liberals makes them especially unappealing and generally unlikable -- never mind their politics!

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by tigers84

Free healthcare for all? <snip> These are some of their demands. Sure, people are free to have their own ideas. But some ideas ARE antithetical to the principles on which this country was founded.

So universal (not free) healthcare (accessible healthcare for all citizens) is antithetical to the principles on which the greatest country on earth was founded? So, then the founding fathers actually wanted those who couldn't afford the most expensive health care on earth to not get it, to pass the costs involved on to other people, or to go bankrupt from a simple injury? Well, that's pretty crappy and short-sighted of them.

Originally Posted by tigers84

The pedantic arrogance of liberals makes them especially unappealing and generally unlikable -- never mind their politics!

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[tigers84]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

So universal (not free) healthcare (accessible healthcare for all citizens) is antithetical to the principles on which the greatest country on earth was founded? So, then the founding fathers actually wanted those who couldn't afford the most expensive health care on earth to not get it, to pass the costs involved on to other people, or to go bankrupt from a simple injury? Well, that's pretty crappy and short-sighted of them.

Damn. You make it so easy. Much appreciated!

Yea, those founding fathers were a clueless bunch, weren’t they? No doubt any plumber or pipe fitter today could improve on their rather pathetic attempt….
All citizens have ACCESS to healthcare. No one is prohibited from seeking medical services. But yea, people do have to pay for those services. And that seems unreasonable to you because….?

But why stop there. Shouldn’t everyone be assured a place to live, clothes to wear, food to eat and ready transportation? Arent those “human rights”? But of course, you aren’t a socialist/communist…right……

You see, the founding fathers knew the “pursuit of happiness” was not achieved through FREEBIES. Rather they knew "happiness" came from the satisfaction of achievement through personal effort. You should try it sometime. Doesn’t begging get old?

The most expensive and best healthcare on earth came about through the development of new medicines, devices and techniques. No one DESERVES a FREE allocation of these services. Because ultimately, over time, handing out free sh## is unsustainable and brings the whole system down. SEE GREECE. GREECE IS THE CANARY IN THE COAL MINE.
If a person goes bankrupt from a “simple injury” its their own damn fault. They should have had planned better, either through personal savings or allocating resources toward insurance. I mean, if you cant pay for your own self, what kind of loser are you??? No one, through govt transfer payments, should have responsibility for another person’s poor management of their own life. Capiche?

The D of I and Constitution remain the premier legal documents of our nation. But Im sure there are some scholars of such who would be fascinated by your analysis of them as “crappy and short-sighted”….LOL

Originally Posted by samiwas1

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By far the above are some of your most compelling arguments to date.

[muxBuppie]

I'm going to point out that as a Libertarian, Tigers84 does not represent us. He is just a confused social Darwinsm neocon. Rather then showing the flaws of our healthcare system brought on by government regulations and malpractice suites that make healthcare here so expensive he think anyone who can't afford it is just a poor lazy bum. He doesn't represent us and in fact I'm not sure who he represents but any libertarian can see that the issue isn't poor bums but the government glut in the system already.

[tigers84]

Originally Posted by muxBuppie

I'm going to point out that as a Libertarian, Tigers84 does not represent us. He is just a confused social Darwinsm neocon. Rather then showing the flaws of our healthcare system brought on by government regulations and malpractice suites that make healthcare here so expensive he think anyone who can't afford it is just a poor lazy bum. He doesn't represent us and in fact I'm not sure who he represents but any libertarian can see that the issue isn't poor bums but the government glut in the system already.

Where did I claim "representation" of libertarianism? Some things I support about that movement, others not so much. (eg foreign policy)

Government is certainly an issue within our healthcare system. Regardless, Libertarians are not anywhere near supporting free healthcare for all. Not even close. Libertarians are about as close to social Darwism, on an individual basis as you can get. Libs DO NOT support Obamacare.

I have read Atlas Shrugged. You, Mux?

[muxBuppie]

Originally Posted by tigers84

Where did I claim "representation" of libertarianism? Some things I support about that movement, others not so much. (eg foreign policy)

Government is certainly an issue within our healthcare system. Regardless, Libertarians are not anywhere near supporting free healthcare for all. Not even close. Libertarians are about as close to social Darwism, on an individual basis as you can get. Libs DO NOT support Obamacare.

I have read Atlas Shrugged. You, Mux?

I never once said Libertarians supported socialized healthcare. They don't however think so many people can't afford healthcare in the U.S. because they are "poor bums" like you do.

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

Speaking of regional constructs, how is that famous Midwestern liberalism working out up there? Companies sure seem to be flocking to Chicago and Ohio. Those unions have really been great for Midwestern manufacturing. In addition, Illinois has one of the best balance sheets in the country.

It's been working very well for over a century. The Twin Cities metro has 19 Fortune 500 companies headquartered in the area, and is also the headquarters for the largest private company in the US (Cargill).

Tell me. How does that compare to Atlanta?

Feel free to compare any other aspects of life that you'd like. Education, transportation, community involvement, etc. It doesn't matter. I think my old midwestern stomping grounds hold up very well to Atlanta, and the threads on City versus City here on C-D seem to support that.

I'm sorry that I wasn't talking about the rust belt, but ... I wasn't.

[chiatldal]

This what kills me

1. The US spends over 40% of the world military spending alone. Over three quarters of world military spending are the US and are close allies. 6 times china military budget, Over 20% of our own budget. This isn't the cold war era there's no USSR power in other words we are wasting money.

2. The right wing will be against capitalism if it goes against there religious bias. A small example Georgia casinos. stem cells research.

3. The right wing preach patriotism but they're philosophies essentially, "let the poor American vanishing so the economy can be prosperous"

Everything conservative preach to Liberal they are hypocrites, so lets spend only on transit, no lets spend unnecessary amounts of money on the military like it the cold war. lets put more environmental laws, no put laws base on things from are bias religious views. As American lets help Americans, no most Americans are lazy and it's always there fault.

"from those according to their ability to those according to their need".

Ability-to-pay as in it doesn't hurt them. Why am I for progressive taxing because it doesn't hurt the rich, they still be wealthy. Going against it is simply greed nothing but greed. I'm for the money going to things that are more important.

THE REASON why the economy is going the it is because the "rich you know the folks who you "for what ever the reason conservatives don't want to tax" are not making jobs but giving themselves bonuses. What should we do give them more tax breaks.

All these countries have some form of Universal health care.. I guess the whole world are "socialists or commies" )
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