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Unread 03-14-2012, 03:02 PM
Status: "Mayor of MARTA" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Kirkwood
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There will special all 4 red lights for streetcars to turn light from the right lane
example is Peachtree Street and Ellis Street. There will be a stop at the Peachtree Center Station, right lane of street northbound. The Streetcar will then have to turn left on Ellis, to do this all traffic must be stopped at the intersection for the streetcar to make the left turn from the right lane. http://g.co/maps/x898t, page 2.
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Unread 03-14-2012, 04:45 PM
 
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Beats the hell outta driving in this city. When the proposed speed numbers become available we can talk then. I know the BeltLine intends to main a speed of 30 mph.
Actual speed between point a and point b or that is how fast they want the train to move? Big difference. Factor in the stops and suddenly you find yourself moving painfully slow. That 30 mph figure seems way off as most light rail systems get close to 20 mph average speeds.
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Unread 03-14-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: atlanta
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nobody's saying the thing is fast. it's not supposed to be fast. it serves a different purpose
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Unread 03-15-2012, 07:09 AM
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example is Peachtree Street and Ellis Street. There will be a stop at the Peachtree Center Station, right lane of street northbound. The Streetcar will then have to turn left on Ellis, to do this all traffic must be stopped at the intersection for the streetcar to make the left turn from the right lane. MARTA Expansion Map - Google Maps, page 2.
Got it, thanks. I wasn't able to make sense of the way you worded it originally.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 07:21 AM
Status: "Mayor of MARTA" (set 26 days ago)
 
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That 30 mph figure seems way off as most light rail systems get close to 20 mph average speeds.
The BeltLine will be on exclusive ROW, which will allow it to travel at faster speeds.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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Actual speed between point a and point b or that is how fast they want the train to move? Big difference. Factor in the stops and suddenly you find yourself moving painfully slow. That 30 mph figure seems way off as most light rail systems get close to 20 mph average speeds.
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nobody's saying the thing is fast. it's not supposed to be fast. it serves a different purpose
The point of a streetcar isn't to let you travel at the same rate as a car (unrestricted on a roadway can go) but to let individual pedestrains travel between two destinations in a dense setting without needing to rely on cars.

Currently, if two locations in ATL are 1/2 a mile apart most folks will get into their walk into a 5+ acre parking lot drive the 1/2 mile or more down the road to their next destination park in another 5+ acre parking lot and do tier business. As the city becomes more dense alternative transit options like this are needed, since there won't be parking lot moats around each building....

A trolly allows quick access for *people* to navigate the city.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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The point of a streetcar isn't to let you travel at the same rate as a car (unrestricted on a roadway can go) but to let individual pedestrains travel between two destinations in a dense setting without needing to rely on cars.

Currently, if two locations in ATL are 1/2 a mile apart most folks will get into their walk into a 5+ acre parking lot drive the 1/2 mile or more down the road to their next destination park in another 5+ acre parking lot and do tier business. As the city becomes more dense alternative transit options like this are needed, since there won't be parking lot moats around each building....

A trolly allows quick access for *people* to navigate the city.
So does a bus network that doesn't rely on $95 million in infrastructure investment.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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^And therefore doesn't reap the benefits of a $95 million infrastructure investment.

All around the US it has been shown that buses just don't get the same ridership levels and don't spur the type of economic development that streetcars have. People have explained both of these points to you in the past several pages, and you continue to ignore them.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 11:38 AM
 
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So does a bus network that doesn't rely on $95 million in infrastructure investment.
Yes, the bus accomplishes the same thing at a much lower cost.

The thing is, a lot of people simply don't like to ride the bus. Its coolness factor is zip. Most likely, they'll be flocking to the streetcar.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 11:42 AM
 
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^And therefore doesn't reap the benefits of a $95 million infrastructure investment.

All around the US it has been shown that buses just don't get the same ridership levels and don't spur the type of economic development that streetcars have. People have explained both of these points to you in the past several pages, and you continue to ignore them.
So this isn't a transportation issue it is a development issue?

We have to try to coax riders into using mass transit? The benefits aren't enough that we have to try to trick them into riding it by making it cool?

Perhaps that is a sign that this is a loser of a project.
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