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That's a possibility but I think Atlanta is in less danger than Phoenix, Arizona or even Dallas when it comes to that. I actually think MARTA will be so much more important than anyone one realized if we are truly heading towards a sustainable future. Atlanta's geography should also make train transport more important if we are cutting back.
Well....a lion is less dangerous than a tiger....but you would not want to be confronted by either. In the future, just like the past, trade routes are going to be very important to the growth of cities. Since Europe is fading and Asia is becoming the new economic engine and Canada has large oil shell supplies......I see things shifting from the East and South more to the Pacific NW, Northern Plains the the North Central region of the country.
In the era of abundance we choose to live where we wanted to live, based pleasure. In the future our choices will be more based upon the pragmatism of survival. What place can best sustain me....and not....where can I have the most fun.
I think to a degree that American culture is a turnover based culture. I think that such is the product of our consumerism born from attempting to maximize earnings and GDP in capitalism. Hence, unless we are changing over to something different and new, we are programmed to feel we are missing out and less happy.
New relationships and new cities can be like chewing gum. You pop in a new stick to get the sugar high but after you chew awhile the sugar fades and you are just left with elastomers. When you are with something for a long time, you can’t get the newness high…..like you get when you are dating a new person or moving to a new city with new places, people and possible culture to explore.
Atlanta is essentially a “new” metropolitan area as the majority of the people and the area was built up in the last 30 years. Thus, it satisfies people’s desire to gravitate towards what’s new physically. By relocating to another area it satisfies people’s desire to meet new people and explore new places as well, assuming one is not forced to leave where they are from, due to hardship or company relocation.
However, after a certain period of time, as with relationships, you can often find that once the sugar is gone, once the newness is gone, that your previous relationship was just as good at its core. The saying is that grass often looks greener on the other side, until you get on the other side. Another saying is that you cannot have your cake and eat it too. The thing that make some places attractive to people are ruined by people when they try to consume it. When large number of people move to an area it changes the area….and often reduces the quality of life, via congestion, pollution, rudeness, expenses, ect. LA is a good example of that.
I guess now that I have turned into my 40’s that what I value is different. I tend to value things that are more sustainable at their core. I tend to be most concerned with family and quality of life, opportunities, time spent with children and the like. I no longer am looking for sugar highs. However, I can see how those still trying to get their high on would find pleasure in moving to Atlanta. In time however, the cycle will turn against the area like it has all others and people will be looking to move to the next mecca. My philosophy is to not buy what is TRENDY, but buy that which is "Classic" because classic is sustainable while trends are fleeting. I think once the sugar is gone from "Atlanta".....that the area does not have the NATURAL and CLASSIC ammenities to make it one of the better places to live.
I don't think it is that serious dude. Jeeze, maybe I should watch BET or more tv in general to see what kind of hype everyone on city-data thinks Atlanta is doing. I mean wow , I just moved here becuase it was the closest big city to find jobs in. I could have ended up in Houston but it was a few hours further.
You do realize that Atlanta is like a poor man's New York, right? Atlanta is full of NYC transplants. Your last mayor was a Philly girl.
I was talking about Atlanta generally rather than Atlanta city proper. That's because you guys don't have iron-clad distinctions between the city and the metro area like NYC (or even DC) does. When people say, "New York City," that excludes NJ, LI, and CT. But when people say "Atlanta," that does not implicitly exclude Lithonia, Norcross and College Park.
When did I ever say DC didn't have poor people? I did say that DC (perhaps in other threads) has more buppies than Atlanta. And that's because there are simply more jobs here (especially jobs that require a Master's Degree or above). There are more IT firms in the area. More law firms in the area. Howard produces more black doctors and dentists than any other school in the U.S. and naturally many of its graduates stay local. There are way more think tanks here. More NGOs. Then you have the Congressional Black Caucus and its various advocacy group offshoots like the PLI, the CBCF and the CBCI. Then every major investment institution has a presence here (whether it's operational or just a lobbying group). I almost forgot to mention the diplomatic presence. All those people working in the Barbadian, Jamaican, Trinidadian, Nigerian, and the South African embassies are virtually all black. There's also the huge media presence with the Washington Post, Reuters, the AP and the New York Times. There are just way more "knowledge" jobs in DC and the black people qualified to fill them are way more likely to move to DC over Atlanta.
Then there are the Mary Jenkins of the world who work as secretaries for law firms or the government and make $80K a year. Her husband has some GS-12/13 job at Labor and makes around $90K. This is the typical household living in Prince George's County. There are some some doctors and the like in P.G. County, but they mostly end up in Silver Spring because the schools in PG suck balls.
In summary, DC has way more of the first group than Atlanta does. With regard to the second group, the numbers are probably about the same. Both cities have a large black underclass.
Umm... I'm from the Maryland/D.C. area.
You said Atlanta not the Atlanta area, I guess that's where the confusion came in. That's the difference between there and the D.C. area which is highly divided in more ways than one.
Ok D.C. may have a more higher educated group of Blacks with degrees etc than Atlanta (although I think Atlanta has a more entrepreneurial aspect) but it still not enough to for them to cluster into a high end neighborhood.
The way your previous post read was like there was this large wealthy, high-end neighborhood bursting at the seams with buppies inside D.C. proper and I'm like, let me find out!
That seems to only exist in Prince George's County whether or not Ms. Jenkins and her Husband are the typical set. I think you underestimate some areas in Bowie, Upper Marlboro and Ft. Washington.
And not all schools in Prince George's suck, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Bowie schools rank higher than Gaithersburg and some other Montgomery County and Fairfax County schools so highly regarded around the nation.
At the end of the day I think Atlanta and D.C. compliment each other than rival each other.
So what Detroit has a bigger population, what do you want a cookie or something?
Yeah and those ugly women get no play here either, If I had a dollar for every chick I knew who moved here from some other city where she was the baddest thing around, only to move here and be depressed because she doesn't get play here because as Atlanta standards go she really isn't bad. Detroit chicks are burned out, only thing they're good for is hiding some dope boy's stash and driving whatever brand new Chevy Impala or Pontiac Grand Prix that comes out. And that was tongue and cheek but there is a lot of truth to that.
My point is that there are more affluent blacks in the city of Detroit than there are in the city of Atlanta, proper, notwithstanding the blight and things you note. There are 600,000 blacks in the city of Detroit and only about 250,000 blacks in the city of Atlanta. So although Detroit likely has more poor than the city of Atlanta.....it also has more wealthy blacks than the city of Atlanta because there are over two times more blacks in Detroit than in Atlanta.
Whether these "ugly" transplants get "play" or not is a moot point. The point is the transference of "ugly". Unless the water in the ATL makes these women all of a sudden beautiful......its hard to make the argument that other cities women are ugly when so many of them are moving to the ATL.....which means that Atlanta has a lot of ugly. That is simply the consquence of being a "mecca".
Well....we are embarking upon a new era of scarcity. Not only will petro become more scarce, but so will fresh water, topsoil and other ingrediants that have allowed for our modern choices and urban sprawl. These are not changes that are going to manifest 50 years from now, but rather, in a decade or less, given global population growth and demand for these resources.
In light of that, humans will have to go back to more sustainable models of human settlement patterns, which almost always includes close proximity to large bodies of water. There have already been studies done that note 10 sunbelt cities, including Atlanta, that are currently threatened or soon to be threatened by water sustainability issues. This is not related to the somewhat debunked "global warming" issue, but rather, measurments from aquifiers and bodies of water that supply metropolitan areas in several states. Thus, many cities with certain natural ammenities, like water, actually did experience decline, during the era of abundance, however, these areas will be more sustainable for future realities.
There you go with that water crap again. Youve made your point , we are doomed, so why post in the forum?
I don't think it is that serious dude. Jeeze, maybe I should watch BET or more tv in general to see what kind of hype everyone on city-data thinks Atlanta is doing. I mean wow , I just moved here becuase it was the closest big city to find jobs in. I could have ended up in Houston but it was a few hours further.
Well.....I think it should be rather obvious that I am not talking about people who migrate from Selma, Alabama to Atlanta. Rather, I am talking about people who move from one region, primarily the North and the West Coast, to Atlanta. Its not hyperbolic for me to say that I know a lot of people who want to or plan to move to Atlanta.....and have never been there. All they go buy is word of mouth.
Yes...and it IS that serious because this country is going to go through RADICAL changes in the next 10 years. We will be much more cognizant of the wisdom of our choices.
There you go with that water crap again. Youve made your point , we are doomed, so why post in the forum?
You know......back in 2004, 5, and 6....I was on forums talking about how the economy was going to collapse soon. People had the same attitude they you are displaying now. They simply did not want to here it. I was banned from several forums, honestly, because I kept noting the unsustainability of what was happening economically....and the moderators said I was being too negative.
I am an economics and demographic nerd. I had a minor in economics in college and was a strait A student for that course work. I find raw data and study it. I study trends. I study history. I study human behavior....thus.....I do not come to my conclusions willy nilly.
Well.....I think it should be rather obvious that I am not talking about people who migrate from Selma, Alabama to Atlanta. Rather, I am talking about people who move from one region, primarily the North and the West Coast, to Atlanta. Its not hyperbolic for me to say that I know a lot of people who want to or plan to move to Atlanta.....and have never been there. All they go buy is word of mouth.
Yes...and it IS that serious because this country is going to go through RADICAL changes in the next 10 years. We will be much more cognizant of the wisdom of our choices.
So what do you want? Where do you think people should move? What is your goal of this thread? To try to make feel bad for living here? People move where they can work. What do you want?
The way your previous post read was like there was this large wealthy, high-end neighborhood bursting at the seams with buppies inside D.C. proper and I'm like, let me find out!
That seems to only exist in Prince George's County whether or not Ms. Jenkins and her Husband are the typical set. I think you underestimate some areas in Bowie, Upper Marlboro and Ft. Washington.
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At the end of the day I think Atlanta and D.C. compliment each other than rival each other.
That guy is delusional, the entire slant of his argument is hilarious. And that example he used of Mr. and Ms. Jenkins is not the typical PG County family. He just wants us to think it is. I have an aunt and an uncle in PG, my uncle is retired AF, and my aunt works at the Ritz Carlton in DC f/t, and also works at the Pets Smart off of St. Barnabus p/t. They're not poor, but they're not some prestigious doctor and lawyer couple either, I mean if they were then my aunt wouldn't have to work two jobs. PG is mostly good hard working middle class folks, not really different from Dekalb County. Actually I think Ft Washington looks a lot like Stone Mountain. And to act like DC is full of "haute culture blacks" while Atlanta is full of "rap video black" is laughable at best. There are just as many dudes in DC and the DMV as a whole who are ghetto, flashy, and just overall not anything like the type of people this guy is talking about as there are in Atlanta. You want to talk about rims and flashy cars, I'll give him that. That's more about southern culture than anything. DC dudes are just as flashy but they put in on their backs. And to act like all the dudes in DC are on some "lets go to the art gallery today and get some culture" tip is just absurd. DC and the DMV are full of dudes who don't have a pot to **** in, but they have 5 North Face jackets in the closet, every color of Nike Foamposites or ACG's that comes out, whatever street brand is hot at the moment, all the while driving a busted @ss Caddy or Crown Victoria. I have nothing against DC, actually DC is by far my favorite city besides Atlanta, I go there every chance I get. But for him to act like it's something that it's not is
You know......back in 2004, 5, and 6....I was on forums talking about how the economy was going to collapse soon. People had the same attitude they you are displaying now. They simply did not want to here it. I was banned from several forums, honestly, because I kept noting the unsustainability of what was happening economically....and the moderators said I was being too negative.
I am an economics and demographic nerd. I had a minor in economics in college and was a strait A student for that course work. I find raw data and study it. I study trends. I study history. I study human behavior....thus.....I do not come to my conclusions willy nilly.
Ok, and I agreed that we are doomed so,what do you want? What are you trying to do here?
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Youve made your point , we are doomed, so why post in the forum?
