U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-12-2011, 02:59 PM
 
13,903 posts, read 8,292,338 times
Reputation: 3281
Quote:
Originally Posted by tigers84 View Post
If the Socialist/Communist stuff has to be explained, then you just dont get it. You simply dont get it.
That's what I'm saying -- I don't get it.

What are, say, the top three examples?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-12-2011, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
714 posts, read 323,460 times
Reputation: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by atltechdude View Post
Obama is not a communist. Anyone who seriously thinks that is under a delusion from talking heads, and such a person is one who seriously doesn't "get it".

A communist would have nationalized the problem industries during the financial crisis as many other countries (which are still not really communist) did. Instead, he preserved private ownership. His campaign was bankrolled by Wall Street, he extended the Bush tax cuts, and in reality he's just as much of a corporatist as our past presidents.
Quote:
Originally Posted by arjay57 View Post
That's what I'm saying -- I don't get it.

What are, say, the top three examples?
A favorite tactic of the left. Characterize all opposing viewpoints as essentially "fundie media talking points" and, therefore, not only automatically disqualified, but also insist that anyone who is similarly aligned is therefore a mindless drone, brainwashed, ignorant blah blah blah. Heard it a million times and the refrain is always the same. Talk about mindless.

Nobody said Obama was a dumb communist. He knows he cant go in and transform our system overnight. It has to be done in stages. Starting, of course, with the road to nationalized healthcare (1/6th of our economy). Then moving to "fairness" taxes, taking from those who have more and giving to those who have less, on behalf of "fairness". Add in a few dollops of demonizng the rich (the so called fat cats), pandering to his biggest single constituency, the unions, while decrying income disparity so he can move toward not only ensuring equal opportunity but also equal outcome. The car companies are essentially wards of the state, per his bailout, and are clearly pushing things like the undesirable Chevy Volt at the govt's behest. The big financial concerns were already tied in tight to govt before the crash via Fannie and Freddie and Fed Reserve. Now its almost impossible to tell them apart, what with their dependence on cheap money and "extend and pretend" accounting. With Solendra, the govt showed how it was using tax payer funds to satisfy its alternative energy fantasies while attempting to force the "dirty" producers, ie coal, out of business, even as they ignored TBoone Pickens ideas for natural gas.

One more big meltdown like in 08, and there will be serious govt internvention on behalf of "saving the system". Ironically, by so doing they will actually be killing the golden goose. Capitalism means there is both failure and success, and cannot sustain itself without heavy doses of each. Pain and suffering are as much a part of capitalism as glory and victory. Its just some people like to believe otherwise.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Brookhaven)
1,063 posts, read 570,171 times
Reputation: 551
Quote:
Originally Posted by tigers84 View Post
with the road to nationalized healthcare
Had to stop reading right there.

Health care reform did not in any way nationalize anything. It made the PRIVATE insurance companies even stronger.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2011, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
714 posts, read 323,460 times
Reputation: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by atltechdude View Post
Had to stop reading right there.

Health care reform did not in any way nationalize anything. It made the PRIVATE insurance companies even stronger.
Then you missed a lot of good points.....

Did you notice the words "road to"? It was merely a stepping stone to single payer healthcare, aka, national govt system. It's the ONLY way everyone can be fully covered, at least until it collapses under it's own weight.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2011, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Brookhaven)
1,063 posts, read 570,171 times
Reputation: 551
Quote:
Originally Posted by tigers84 View Post
Then you missed a lot of good points.....

Did you notice the words "road to"? It was merely a stepping stone to single payer healthcare, aka, national govt system. It's the ONLY way everyone can be fully covered, at least until it collapses under it's own weight.
You are seriously out of touch if you think the government will pass a single payer system when even with the White House the House and 60 Dem votes in the Senate they couldn't even pass a public option. It's just pointless fear mongering red meat.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2011, 06:15 PM
 
397 posts, read 341,964 times
Reputation: 224
and people wonder why Georgia has a backwoods reputation and can't attract white collar business..................
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
714 posts, read 323,460 times
Reputation: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpatlanta View Post
and people wonder why Georgia has a backwoods reputation and can't attract white collar business..................
It's all MY fault? Wow. Who knew I had so much power! LOL
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2011, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
714 posts, read 323,460 times
Reputation: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by atltechdude View Post
You are seriously out of touch if you think the government will pass a single payer system when even with the White House the House and 60 Dem votes in the Senate they couldn't even pass a public option. It's just pointless fear mongering red meat.
The public option IS nationalized healthcare.

Like I said, baby steps. First they set out to make it so the system must include everyone. That will quickly overwhelm it with too many takers, not enough contributors. Obamacare sets that table. Then the single payer option/nationalized healthcare option will suddenly appear as the only viable "solution" to the nightmare obamacare put in place.

Like i said, Obama and his commie buddies aren't stupid. Their plan is incremental in nature, not a one act coup.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2011, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
969 posts, read 999,326 times
Reputation: 617
Quote:
Originally Posted by tigers84 View Post
It's all MY fault? Wow. Who knew I had so much power! LOL
It's not so much you all by yourself, just the fact that the majority of people in this state think the same way you do... which is surprising since more than half the state of GA lives in metro Atlanta and it is the 9th largest metro in the country. I guess the traffic and tall buildings don't scare away people who really should be living in a small town in the middle of nowhere...

Transportation should not be such a controversial issue for a "growing" metro area that is one of the country's largest. Birmingham would be a great fit for a lot of you people...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
714 posts, read 323,460 times
Reputation: 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpatlanta View Post
and people wonder why Georgia has a backwoods reputation and can't attract white collar business..................
Quote:
Originally Posted by mike7586 View Post
It's not so much you all by yourself, just the fact that the majority of people in this state think the same way you do... which is surprising since more than half the state of GA lives in metro Atlanta and it is the 9th largest metro in the country. I guess the traffic and tall buildings don't scare away people who really should be living in a small town in the middle of nowhere...

Transportation should not be such a controversial issue for a "growing" metro area that is one of the country's largest. Birmingham would be a great fit for a lot of you people...
Puzzling. Insults as debate - deployed by those who deem themselves intellectually superior. if only they could present a compelling counter argument - but I guess if they could they would. So terribly uninteresting.

Not really surprising. Hubris and leftist/progressive-ness go hand in hand.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2011 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $79,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2014, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 - Top